The two cents: I think annotations are great and convenient, this is not intended as any kind of annotations flame war. I think XML is easier for tool support, amongst other things. We are going to have more annotations support in the future with the Cognition Modeler, but otherwise XML provides a reliable, known structure. XPath queries, DTDs, etc make it very stable and easy to work with. It also separates configuration from code, that can be edited without recompilation.
Per seeing some of the products at EclipseCon - whoa nelly on the annotations. For some methods you see more annotations than you do code. I am definitely looking forward to T5 (as per Jesse is a ways away), but am hesitant to drop the XML option. In terms of Spindle, we are going to try and put some resources in this direction - it seems like the most desired feature for any dev tool for Tapestry. Quoting Geoff Longman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ok ok I guess I'd better have my say. > > I'm going to build *something* for T4, if for no other reason that I > have made many promises in the past and I'm not one to renege. > > I'm afraid that that *something* will be less than what people are > hoping for. The devil is in the details and I *am* crushed at work and > don't have the hour or so it would take to lay it out in detail right > now. Rest assured I will do so asap. > > As for T5+Spindle. A lot of effort has gone into figuring out (and > failing to figure out) how tooling for T4 will go. To avoid this in > the future I want to be more involved in the development of T5 to try > and ensure this whole mess isn't repeated. I have already thrown out > ideas on the dev list. > > I've taken the approach of avoiding the act of "drawing a line in the > sand" and getting all bitchy if my ideas are not immediately accepted. > I want T5 to be every bit as cool as Howard does, but I do have the > ulterior motive to gently "steer" T5 in a direction where everyone is > happy. I don't think much steering is needed to have T5 in a state > where building Spindle 4T5 (!) will take anywhere near as long as 4T4 > has taken to date. > > In my world "everyone is happy" when they have a T5 that does all the > fantastic things we want it to do ****and*** we have a framework with > excellent tool support. > > The last year working on Spindle 4T4 has been a real morale buster for > me. (have a look at the spindle-dev archives for a taste of what I > mean). > > Anywho, must climb back into my death march hole for (hopefully) another > week. > > Geoff > > P.S. I really don't know how may people use Spindle today. The numbers > have obviously dropped off since T4 has taken over. If you want tool > support to have a higher priority going forward then speak up where > the Tapestry committers can hear you. Hugo and I are just two voices > in the committer crowd (that's growing pretty quickly these days!). > > On 4/10/06, Mark Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Like Mark says - it may make sense for Spindle to actually do that... I > > wouldn't neccesarilly call it a "fear". It would probably be for the > > benefit of having a much earlier T5 Spindle. > > > > If Geoff is pressed for time anyway, it may make more sense to start > > getting a T5 spindle out the door, rather than spending time on T4, > > which will be "discontinued" by the time he finishes. At that point we > > will have the same delay for Spindle for T5 > > > > MARK > > > > > > > > > And to make things worse... has Geoff has stated he is still using T3 at > > > work, so his efforts are on that direction... one has to pay the bills. > > > Really hope that Marks fears don't come true and that Spindle doesn't > skip > > > T4! > > > > > > Come on Geoff we're all holding our breaths out here! Keep it up! ;-) > > > > > > > > > On 4/10/06, Mark Stang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Geoff is working on it when he has available cycles. And as we all > know > > >> free time is hard to come by. Currently, he is on some kind of death > march > > >> at his paying job so it will be a bit before he can get back to > Spindle. > > >> > > >> He has stated on the Spindle Development list that supporting 4.x is > very > > >> different than supporting 3.x. And now that 5.0 is being written that > > >> will not be backward compatible with 4.x or 3.x, it makes me wonder if > 4.xis worth the effort? I don't know if he can get it done before > > >> 5.x starts becoming the next golden child. > > >> > > >> Personally, I am staying on 3.x until the dust settles. > > >> > > >> regards, > > >> > > >> Mark > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Francis Amanfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 6:01 AM > > >> To: Tapestry users > > >> Subject: Re: spindle > > >> > > >> Tyi, Spindle for T4 is in a deep coma, dying a very slow death! ;-) > > >> > > >> F > > >> > > >> On 4/10/06, Korbinian Bachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> does anyone know if spindle for T4 is still under development ? - the > > >>> spindle blog says "on vacancy from 24th on..." and the mailing list > also > > >>> has > > >>> no big signs about it.... > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> Korbinian > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Pedro Viegas > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > The Spindle guy. http://spindle.sf.net > Blog: http://jroller.com/page/glongman > Other interests: http://www.squidoo.com/spaceelevator/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ........................................ 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