Bill,

You're completely right. But there are some things that seem to work
better for most people. I think it's good to try different grips,
different picks, different ways of picking and then decide for
yourself what's best for you.

When I am trying to help a completely new person, I like to give them
a start by showing them what seems to work for many people. But I
encourage them to experiment, too. I try to help them avoid habits
that might result in repetitive stress types of problems.

Topher


On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Bill Burnette <bburne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think all this stuff about pick grip is much ado about nothing. Lots of
> great pickers hold their picks all different ways. I've never thought much
> about how I hold it- I had to look when this thread started. Seems to me to
> be an individual comfort thing... there's no way I could hold my pick the
> way some people do.
>
> Bill in Nashville
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Topher Gayle <surfns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Robin,
>>
>> Interesting question. Not sure what you mean. How is your thumb
>> curved? Up, down, sideways, in out, or what?
>>
>> Glad to hear you got such a useful gene, though. It must come in handy
>> (har har).
>>
>> Topher
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Robin Gravina <robin.grav...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Just a curious question. There are people with straight thumbs, and
>> > then those who have been lucky enough to get the gene for brains,
>> > charm, good looks and a curved thumb.
>> > Curiously enough, I am in the latter group. Do we curved thumbers do
>> > it different from our straight digit cousins? Just wondering.
>> > Actually, the curve means you either hold the thumb bent, or use the
>> > joint, rather than the bone.
>> > An important issue I feel
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/1/10, Linda <lj...@intas.net.au>:
>> >> I thank yall for the advice and since I have a quiet weekend here I
>> >> can try em out.
>> >> The one thing from the article, that I need to try and pay more
>> >> attention to is ..
>> >> Mike says its best to learn a tune slow, then after a time speed it
>> >> up.  I do that but feel an enormous pressure to be able to play it
>> >> fast and start to do that before I really should.
>> >>
>> >> I like most tunes in slow mode for my personal enjoyment,  but its the
>> >> pressure when playing with others to play fast and my wish to get
>> >> there and be able to play with others well, that seems to drive this
>> >> rushing thing that is not really doing me any good at all.  And he
>> >> says it may be a long tme before I can play well ...fast, at my age, I
>> >> don't know if it will happen in time that fuels it too.
>> >>
>> >> I have thought maybe just develop a list of slow tunes and try to make
>> >> them terrific..as a way to get around that.
>> >>
>> >> Almost every tune I get ..is one that at first I feel like I could
>> >> never be able to play and by the next lesson, most times, I find I
>> >> can..and that I can do things I did not think I could.  Mike is always
>> >> pushing the bar with what I am assigned to do.  Seems the mind game is
>> >> a lot of the battle.  I have to just calm down and approach it, see
>> >> what I can achieve and am always pleasantly surprised.
>> >>
>> >> Brian I don't have your problem with the mirror but still need a small
>> >> one ..for a different reason...<G>.
>> >> Maybe pisces look better underwater.
>> >>
>> >> linda
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 10, 3:39 am, Topher Gayle <surfns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Here are some ideas for hitting both strings in a course. Lots of
>> >>> folks have trouble with this at first.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you're not sure if you are hitting both strings, tune one of them
>> >>> quite a bit flat. Then play some sort of exercise on that pair. The
>> >>> worse it sounds, the better you're picking. Try to make both tones
>> >>> sound equally loud. Then you know you're hitting them both. Tune back
>> >>> up for the rest of your practicing!
>> >>>
>> >>> I find that using rest strokes, where the pick comes to rest against
>> >>> the next course, is useful for helping me get into the groove of
>> >>> hitting both strings. Sometimes you'll want to use them while playing,
>> >>> and sometimes not. But they're a good way to get the feel of hitting
>> >>> both strings.
>> >>>
>> >>> I like to describe the action as "pushing the pick through the
>> >>> strings," rather than plucking the strings. in other words the strings
>> >>> get pushed down towards the top of the instrument by the tip of the
>> >>> pick and then make noise on the rebound. the strings get out of the
>> >>> way of the pick, not the other way around. The only way you can do
>> >>> that is to push the tip of the pick more or less parallel to the top
>> >>> of the instrument, with no dodging up and down. A firm grip helps.
>> >>>
>> >>> It helps to rotate the pick a little bit - either with the end towards
>> >>> the neck down a little (maybe 15-20 degrees) and up (as John Reischman
>> >>> does). This way the strings slide along the end of the pick more than
>> >>> grab. You'll get less pick noise, too. Experiment with different
>> >>> picks, too.
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe some of this might be helpful. There are many approaches. What
>> >>> matters is getting the sound, while not hurting yourself.
>> >>>
>> >>> Topher
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Dasspunk <dassp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > When it's going good... real good... I'll blow off everything to
>> >>> > keep
>> >>> > it going. I try (in vain) to keep THAT in my muscle memory. Make
>> >>> > THAT
>> >>> > my habit. Mike would probably say he does the same thing but his
>> >>> > worst
>> >>> > days are still better than my best. He can be annoying in that way
>> >>> > ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> > Playing back by the bridge forces me to play more evenly, more
>> >>> > accurately and apply the correct amount of force to the stroke. In
>> >>> > my
>> >>> > experience, there's a perfect amount of force--and it's probably
>> >>> > less
>> >>> > than you'd think-- that produces the most sound... and the right
>> >>> > sound.
>> >>>
>> >>> > Again, I'm not sure if my words will translate into the proper
>> >>> > meaning... it's tough to describe.
>> >>>
>> >>> > One bit of advice I always give that helped me a ton is this:
>> >>> > practice
>> >>> > in a mirror. Watch your right hand. Look at Mike's right hand and
>> >>> > try
>> >>> > to make your right hand look like his (or Bill's). Try, try, try,
>> >>> > try,
>> >>> > try.
>> >>>
>> >>> > Now if you're practicing in the mirror you find yourself distracted
>> >>> > by
>> >>> > your own incredible good looks, you're probably a Sagittarius like
>> >>> > me
>> >>> > and you'll need to get a smaller mirror :)
>> >>>
>> >>> > B
>> >>>
>> >>> > On Jan 9, 8:47 am, Linda <lj...@intas.net.au> wrote:
>> >>> >>  I like the idea of the pencil eraser and will think on that some.
>> >>>
>> >>> >> The Tater says I am only playing the top string of two sometimes.
>> >>> >>  He
>> >>> >> wants me to use the area just near the bridge more.   I find it
>> >>> >> difficult to push through...push the pick through the strings in
>> >>> >> that
>> >>> >> spot.  Am working on it.
>> >>> >> Sometimes when I practice, I trying playing looser and give all
>> >>> >> real
>> >>> >> attention to what the right had is doing, not worrying too much
>> >>> >> about
>> >>> >> the fretting (which gets sloppy when not attending).  So far, I
>> >>> >> find
>> >>> >> there is improvement but I sure wish I had a way to know for sure
>> >>> >> when
>> >>> >> I am getting it right.
>> >>> >> Brian, you are right about getting it right and how it feels.
>> >>> >>  Every
>> >>> >> now and again in the lesson I get a thumbs up, which means I am
>> >>> >> doing
>> >>> >> it the right way.
>> >>> >> Feels like going to the moon in rocket....
>> >>> >> linda
>> >>>
>> >>> >> On Jan 10, 12:53 am, 14strings <perrypale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >> > Maybe the mental image of striking both strings with equal force
>> >>> >> > and
>> >>> >> > contemporaneously helps the process of digging in and keeping the
>> >>> >> > pick
>> >>> >> > on the stringS. Many of us have the poor technique (myself
>> >>> >> > included)
>> >>> >> > of catching just one string in a pair. That will give us half the
>> >>> >> > volume and half the tone. Half the fun.
>> >>>
>> >>> >> > Perry
>> >>>
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