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L> tbudl Digest    Thu, 14 Mar 2002        Volume: 02  Issue: 069

L> In This Issue:
L>         #1:     From: Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Feature wish: Editor improvement
L>         #2:     From: David Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[2]: utf-8 and Unicode
L>         #3:     From: Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: How do I send from a selected isp?
L>         #4:     From: Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Autocompletion of header fields not always working
L>         #5:     From: Gene Gough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[3]: Autocompletion of header fields not always working
L>         #6:     From: Jean-Baptiste Lavedrine 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[2]: Agenda companion to The Bat!
L>         #7:     From: Tim Musson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Agenda companion to The Bat!
L>         #8:     From: "DG Raftery Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[2]: How do I send from a selected isp?
L>         #9:     From: Charles Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: How do I send from a selected isp?
L>         #10:    From: John Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Why do my macros....
L>         #11:    From: Charles Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: How do I send from a selected isp?
L>         #12:    From: Luc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: outbox problem
L>         #13:    From: Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: How do I send from a selected isp?
L>         #14:    From: Jonathan Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Another Wish
L>         #15:    From: Andreas Schwartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Template for Ebay auctions -  RegEx? How?
L>         #16:    From: Dave Conroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Template for Ebay auctions -  RegEx? How?
L>         #17:    From: David Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Attachment icons
L>         #18:    From: Jonathan Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Template for Ebay auctions -  RegEx? How?
L>         #19:    From: Andreas Schwartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[2]: Template for Ebay auctions -  RegEx? How?
L>         #20:    From: Andreas Schwartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[3]: Template for Ebay auctions -  RegEx? How?
L>         #22:    From: Jonathan Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[3]: Template for Ebay auctions -  RegEx? How?
L>         #23:    From: "Miguel A. Urech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[3]: Template for Ebay auctions -  RegEx? How?
L>         #24:    From: Jonathan Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[3]: Template for Ebay auctions -  RegEx? How?
L>         #25:    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
L>                 Subject: Re[2]: Feature wish: Editor improvement
L>         #26:    From: Dwight A Corrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Feature wish: Editor improvement
L>         #27:    From: Mrten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Feature wish: Editor improvement
L>         #28:    From: "DG Raftery Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[2]: How do I send from a selected isp?
L>         #29:    From: Syafril Hermansyah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Feature wish: Editor improvement
L>         #30:    From: Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Feature wish: Editor improvement
L>         #31:    From: Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Attachment icons
L>         #32:    From: Ottar Grimstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Feature wish: Editor improvement
L>         #33:    From: John Phillips<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Why do my macros....
L>         #34:    From: Syafril Hermansyah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Why do my macros....
L>         #35:    From: John Phillips<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Why do my macros....
L>         #36:    From: Peter Palmreuther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Template for Ebay auctions -  RegEx? How?
L>         #37:    From: Peter Palmreuther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Why do my macros....
L>         #38:    From: Syafril Hermansyah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Why do my macros....
L>         #39:    From: Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Feature wish: Editor improvement
L>         #40:    From: Roelof Otten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Why do my macros....
L>         #41:    From: "Michael S. Greenbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Blocking unreadable email
L>         #42:    From: Carsten Guthardt-Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Edit Control-+ shortcuts etc
L>         #43:    From: Ottar Grimstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re: Edit Control-+ shortcuts etc
L>         #44:    From: Carsten Guthardt-Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L>                 Subject: Re[2]: Feature wish: Editor improvement

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L> Msg: #1 in digest
L> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:15:07 -0500
L> From: Allie C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L> Subject: Re: Feature wish: Editor improvement

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L> @ 10:40:33 -0500 [ Wed, 13 Mar 2002], Guti [G] wrote these words of
L> wisdom:
L> ...
G>> That's exactly what I use. Unfortunately, this F4 thing only allows
G>> quoting the first block.

L> How do you select multiple blocks of text from the message view window
L> prior to hitting F4 to generate the reply? I just tried to and I can't.

G>> For the following quotes I have to go back to the message/preview
G>> window, mark a text, Control-C, Alt-Tab, Alt-Ins, Enter to start
G>> writing under the next quote. With a makro program I have written a
G>> makro that allows me to just press Control-Q instead of the frequence
G>> Control-C, Alt-Tab, Alt-Ins, Enter.

L> Good. This is what macro programs were created for and I use one heavily
L> myself.

G>> But I would find it better if The Bat could do it itself, it wouldn't
G>> even be necessary to go over the clipboard, the marked block could be
G>> inserted as quote directly.

L> You really can't expect TB! to do that sequence for you automatically.
L> It's something that *you* want to do, the way *you* want it to be done.

L> Suppose a user wishes to quote portions of text in different messages
L> that he's composing. How would that be handled? This is why specialist
L> editors have macro recorders and not built in automatic sequences as you
L> describe.

G>> And the initials in front of the quote sign should be the initials of
G>> the sender of the message I am quoting from, not always the ones of
G>> the message I am replying to.

L> TB! can tell which initials to use depending on which message is being
L> replied to. However, how is it to tell the source of text from anywhere
L> else?

L> The only compromise there would be to do as I do. Create a Quick
L> Template containing the single macro '%Quoteclipboard'. If you wish to
L> quote material and not associate the sender initials with it, then copy
L> the text block to the clipboard and invoke the QT. The text will be
L> quoted without initials.

G>> Is anybody here using this "Auto-format" option? How do people manage
G>> do make paragraphs with that, I don't get it? Each time I want to
G>> start a new paragraph and press Enter to do that, the cursors jumps
G>> back to the end of the last paragraph once I start typing again.

L> Separate each paragraph by a blank line and it works.

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L> Msg: #2 in digest
L> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:34:37 -0500
L> From: David Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L> Subject: Re[2]: utf-8 and Unicode

L> Hello SyP,

L> Wednesday, March 06, 2002, 1:53:43 PM, you wrote:

L> Many thanks for your reply and explanation. Sorry about the delay in
L> responding -- I have been too busy to read by batmail for a few days.

S>> It's quoted-printable encoding - in other words, all bytes are changed
S>> to =XX where XX is the byte's value in hex. if you see this, something
S>> clearly went wrong, but I don't know if the error is on the sender or
S>> on the recipient's side, if I can't see the whole MIME message.

L> Here is an example of the source of an entire message sent from
L> Outlook Express encoded in utf-8.

L> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L> Received: from creeocxkgo42pm (ppp116-224.lino.sympatico.ca [142.217.224.116])
L>         by hermes.lino.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id g2DGhDA21891
L>         for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:43:13 -0500 (EST)
L> Message-ID: <002001c1caaf$63b94ba0$74e0d98e@creeocxkgo42pm>
L> From: "David Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L> To: "David Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
L> Subject: syllabics
L> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:51:52 -0500
L> MIME-Version: 1.0
L> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1CA85.775AB920"
L> X-Priority: 3
L> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
L> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
L> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
L> X-UIDL: ?+%"!LP@"!+FJ!!3:2!!
 
L> ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1CA85.775AB920
L> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
L> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
L> =E1=90=A7=E1=90=8A=E1=92=8B=E1=90=A7=E1=90=8B =
L> =E1=91=8C=E1=90=B1=E1=91=A6 =E1=91=8C=E1=93=90=E1=91=90=E1=93=90
L> =E1=91=96=E1=93=90 =E1=90=81 =E1=91=8E=E1=94=A8=E1=93=90=20
 
 
L> ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C1CA85.775AB920
L> Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
L> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
L> =EF=BB=BF<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
L> <HTML><HEAD>
L> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">
L> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR>
L> <STYLE></STYLE>
L> </HEAD>
L> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
L> <DIV><FONT face=3D"BJCree UNI" =
size=3D2>>=E1=90=A7=E1=90=8A=E1=92=8B=E1=90=A7=E1=90=8B =
L> =E1=91=8C=E1=90=B1=E1=91=A6 =
L> =E1=91=8C=E1=93=90=E1=91=90=E1=93=90</FONT></DIV>
L> <DIV><FONT face=3D"BJCree UNI" size=3D2>=E1=91=96=E1=93=90 =E1=90=81 =
L> =E1=91=8E=E1=94=A8=E1=93=90 </FONT></DIV>
L> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>
 
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S>> Btw. I typed in the hex values in an editor, and loaded into UniPad, a
S>> Unicode-enabled free, comprehensive editor, and they looked like
S>> Canadian aboriginal symbols.

L> Yes, it is Cree syllabics in the United Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics
L> plane. I use UniPad, too. It is a great tool.

L> I tried experimenting with the Transport settings for the account
L> relating to how 8-bit characters are treated. This does not seem to
L> change anything. If I understand what is happening here, The Bat! seem
L> to convert the Unicode text to quoted-printable no matter what.

L> What if I had a fixed-width syllabic font, would that allow me to
L> view the message as text?

L> I did discover that if I view the html message in Internet Explorer, I
L> see the message correctly, which partially solves my problem. IE seems
L> to read the quoted-printable and to switch it to utf-8. I wonder why
L> TB!'s own html viewer cannot view this same text. What would it take
L> to get it to recognize the utf-8 encoding?




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Best regards,
Alexander Krivov
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