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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: TEACHSOC: Re: Crash/ Brokeback Mountiain
Del...
You say fiction is not the friend of social
science, yet I have found the tales told in great works of literature to mirror
society beautifully and to relay sociological messages very well. I used
the lyrics to songs from Les Miz to illustrate the myopic vision and
inner dialogue of some members of law enforcement, and certainly Charles
Dickens' work is rich with sociological messages about the treatment of the
poor. I believe strongly in crossing over disciplines to illustrate a
sociological perspective, and film based on literature (in the case of
Brokeback Mountain, a Pulitzer-prize wining short story) draws students
into classics (old and new) that they may, unfortunately, never have been
exposed to before.
I'll respond to the other parts of your message
when I think things through.
Sarah
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:36
AM
Subject: TEACHSOC: Re: Crash/ Brokeback
Mountiain
The use of fiction in the classroom is not the friend of
science.
Sarah Murray wrote:
Del...
I have absolutely no idea how to test or prove
any of this! But I will ask my students if they believe the characters
in the film were the targets of violence (or thought they could be) because
they were homosexual, or because of rural homophobia, and the
students can give me their ideas. A
couple are religious, and from cultures not open to homosexuality,
so I'm sure I'll get a variety of responses.
If we have no idea how to test a proposition
that should raise a red flag.
When you ask your students to believe you
become a teacher/preacher..... not the way to expose the student to the best
science.... you are asking them
to adopt your opinion........ and you are
grading them..... you are in a position of power......
They may agree with you but have learned what? This may be
why
the church has been more successful
Rural homophobia?
Don't sociologists find that the locus of the behavior is the situation
and not feelings?
"Consequently, every time that a social phenomenon
is directly explained by psychological phenomenon, we may
be sure that the
explanation is false "(Durkheim, Rules of the Sociological Method 1964
p.104) Why not use a social explanation?
When black people were lynched, was the cause
race or racism? How could you ever test or prove the answer to
that? President TR.... an ardent sociologist claimed
that blacks were lynched because they so often raped white women. We are
we are
often told...... a nation of laws..... race is the law........ see
Goffman civil inattention....... what happened to Emmett Till was
the
removal of civil inattention, as a visitor he did not know the
rules. As I stated in an earlier post..... the race definition
that dominates
in this nation and in the sociology texts was designed to
support Va Slave law.....
Maybe it is time for a
change
Del
Sarah
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject:
TEACHSOC: Re: Crash?
Sarah,
I expect that a basic goal for/of learning is a
sociology class would be testable and the best available science.
Church Consequently, every time that a social phenomenon is directly
explained by psychological phenomenon, we may be sure that the explanation
is false (Durkheim, 1964 p.104)
groups are faith based and
use a
different standard.... that is why I used the terms convince and leads
to...... Can you provide a reliable measure of
homophobia and evidence that
homophobia causes infidelity or
violence...... How do you explain domestic violence in heterosexual
households?
Del
Sarah Murray wrote:
What I'm hoping my students will learn from
the film is that homophobia causes infidelity and violence -- not that
homosexuality does.
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject:
TEACHSOC: Re: Crash?
Locally, church groups have used Brokeback Mountain
to convince teens that the gay lifestyle is evil.... leads to violence
and
infidelity....they solve the so what issue by having teens work
for candidates promoting anti gay legislation.... They report
the
film is quite effective... They are not concerned by the science
or the fact that these are commercial works of fiction. As you
know
B Mountain was designed as a chick flick ....... but it
may have had other more powerful messages that producers will not
admit to.
Del
Melanie E. L. Bush wrote:
The issue I am referring to is not that the film is
inflammatory but that it reinforces racism by levelling out the
impact of white supremacy on whites and peoples of color.
For example.. where's the film that shows the differential
approach to incarceration that is being discussed on this
listserve?
To address racism as solely prejudice or stereotype as the film
primarily does provides some relief to some who believe that
"everybody's a little bit racist" - it's just world we live in - and
if they are "nice" and don't engage overtly racist language or
ideas they need not be overly concerned ... though it is highly
offensive to many who face constant reminder of the structural and
ideological consequences.
ahhhh this is precisely the subject of Breaking the Code of
Good Intentions: Everyday Forms of
Whiteness...
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