Actually, the idea of such "subspaces" is completely besides the point of Freenet. As far as I understand, its basic idea is to make "good" stuff look just as the "bad" stuff to the point of it being impossible to distinguish between the two in any other way than by actually requesting every document on Freenet and looking at it contents.
This is done because what is "good" for you, could very well be "bad" for someone else. Consider kid porn, for example. Right now, it is almost universally considered to be not even "bad" (in the same sense as regular pornography is "bad"), but "evil" - absolutely not acceptable by the society. So, take a quick history tour - in ancient Greece (as well as in many other ancient cultures) sexual relations of male adults with male teens weren't forbidden - they were encouraged, and there's a lot of quite explicit pictorial evidence of that left to this day. Freenet is not designed to harbor exclusively illegal content - such as kid porn, nuclear devices' schematics and latest NSync mp3's ;-). It is just made so that such information is indistinguishable from any other information present, because, in fact, no one can be _certain_ what information has and has not a reason (or right) to exist - this would be censorship, which is exactly opposite of free speech. In your particular scenario, if only a handful of people are interested in unusualshadesofpurple, and all of them do subscribe to the so-named subspace, it would be very easy for someone wanting to eliminate such information to learn all the nodes storing this information (just by masquerading and observing node references of "interested" nodes) and proceeding to attack them, either legally or illegally. One more time, please consider this - Freenet works by making information _absolutely_ indistinguishable until actually requested. Then, there's no definite way to find out that information's source. I don't think this basic rule should be broken in favor of anything else. With best regards, Victor Denisov. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Stalling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Tech] question > > Problem is, how does the sub-space founder know > > that those who connect are abiding by the > > no-bomb-recipe rule? > > The way I imagine it would be something more akin to > USEnet. I would be a member, and thus contribute my > precious HD space to [EMAIL PROTECTED], > genomeresearch.freenet, and mp3.freenet. These would > be the only spaces I would be a 'member' of and thus > contribute HD space to. > > Now granted there's nothing stopping someone from > inserting divx movies in the mp3 freenet space, but > what I'm _hoping_ is that instead of joining the mp3 > freenet space and inserting divx movies, they would > join the divx.freenet space, and insert movies there. > > If the freenets were segregated like this, I would > think that pr0n would be likely to 'fall off' the > marsexploration.freenet space. The model would make it > beneficial for people to insert data into the > appropriate sub-space. > > The freenet website mentions 'emergent behavior'. I > think my scenario goes along with this quite well. You > could look at these 'sub-spaces' as freenet > 'organisms'. I see it as another level of complexity. > > It would seem to me that if freenet was divided into > these 'sub-spaces', I gain two advantages. One is that > I'm not participating in a network full of stuff I > don't care about, and two, I would imagine that it > would be a lot more efficient, considering that all my > sub-space neighbour-nodes are in the same sub-space as > myself, and thus more closely connected. > > For instance, I'm sure there are very few of us out > there with hard-core interests in unusual shades of > purple. However if there was a > 'unusualshadesofpurple.freenet' sub-space, then we are > almost assured that our data can be shared between us > with rapidity, and that our data won't 'fall off' the > 'general' network (granted we're dedicating enough HD > space to our subspace). > > As I mentioned, I'm not a programmer, nor engineer, so > I have no idea whether or not this scenario would > account for more bandwidth overhead or not. Maybe it > does. I'm not an expert. It might not work at all. > > In response to one reply: Perhaps I didn't make myself > clear. I am 100% in favor of free speech. > > In my little picture, while there would be > python.freenet, gnu.freenet, thedoors.freenet and > other (what I consider) "good" stuff, there would also > probably be, in fact, howtokilllotsofpeople.freenet, > nsync.freenet and what-not. One would hope that these > latter freenets would be very small freenets, but I > imagine they would exist. > > > But, to repeat many others, the same thing that > > ensures the evil bastards get to do their thing > > ensures that the good guys get to do their thing. > > My scenario doesn't change that basic fact, as I > illustrate, it simply makes it to where the good guys > get their stuff (possibly more efficiently) without > dealing with the bad guys' stuff, and vice versa. Of > course it also helps out the bad guys, but hey, whadda > ya gonna do? > > > For example, the fact that freesites load faster > > than websites in some circumstances. The fact > > that information will travel closer to where > > it's wanted, network-topology-wise. > > That is an advantage in closed-system or corporate > scenarios, but it's also the very problem I see in the > global scenario. > > The physical location of "lovers of day-old spam" may > be widely dispersed, and thus when Kirk inserts his > recipe, it's very likely to fall off the global > freenet, because he's so many hops away from the other > lovers. > > But if he can find a day-old spam lovers subspace, > he's got it made. > > And there's the added bonus that the rest of us moral > folk won't have to contribute our HD space to their > immoral meat product interests. > > --Sam > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech > _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech
