On 7 Oct 2005, at 18:37, jrandom at i2p.net wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >> Reality disagrees with you. The Chinese government has arrested, >> brutalised, even murdered many more than three people >> > > For using Freenet?
For disagreeing with their government. >> Yeah, because the Chinese really need us to tell them how to build >> walkie-talkies. > > And the Chinese really need us to tell them how to communicate? We aren't, we are using our skills to provide them with a better option than what they are using today. > The idea that I am somehow not sympathetic to their needs is > preposterous. I am, however, human, and have limitations on what I > can do. Winning the battle in the 'west' is going to take a whole > lot of work, and I'm of the opinion that we should solve our own > problems before going to fight other people's battles. That is your decision, our view is different. > You've missed the economics of scale issue again entirely. If > Freenet achieves what it sounds like it is trying to achieve in China > (etc), it would be seen as a threat and actual resources would be > expended to stop it. They're not expending actual resources now, as > it hasn't broken the threshold for them to bother. Once it does, > depending upon what they do, users will be *less secure* than they > are with techniques that have not yet broken that threshold. So what's your point? That there are things the Chinese government can do to counter Freenet? We don't disagree. The point is that there are things the Chinese government can do to counter the primitive tools being used *today* by Chinese dissidents, giving them a better, if imperfect, option is a very worthwhile endeavour. > I don't mean to dissuade the Freenet folks from trying to help those > in such regimes, but merely to keep a perspective on things. The > distributed data store behind Freenet has been repurposed enough > over the years that it makes sense to step back and ask whether its > the right tool for the task at hand, or whether there are more > appropriate ones for the given concrete use cases. We do, and right now we are not aware of any tool that affords the resistance to attack that a globally scalable darknet will. Ian.
