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On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Skylar Thompson
<[email protected]>wrote:

>  On 05/13/2013 05:59 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser) wrote:
>
>  > What I think */could/* work, though, is if checksumming filesystems like 
> ZFS> could expose the checksum data to user applications (like backup 
> clients),
>
>  The reason that's not possible is because the ZFS checksums don't relate to 
> the files.  They relate to data blocks, which may be file fragments, or 
> contain multiple files, and always include various forms of filesystem 
> metadata.  So you'll always have to utilize your ZFS checksums via zfs 
> internal commands.  You can scrub your whole pool...  There might be a fringe 
> use case where it's useful to just validate the blocks that are related to 
> certain files, without doing the whole pool...  But I can't think of such a 
> use case.
>
>
> TSM (and possibly other backup clients) actually does have a block-level
> backup agent. Now I've never used it, so I can't speak much about it, but
> it seems it could use that per-block checksum data as input if it were
> available.
>
> Skylar
>
>
I have used the block level backups, but they are specific agents for
various databases (SQL, Exchange, Oracle, etc).  But over the years I found
it is typically 'better' to have the databases exported to flat file
backups, then use TSM to backup the flat files.  The database specific
agents work, but after viewing a couple of them, they don't do much more
than that.

In really high performance situations they might prove beneficial, but I
didn't run into that.
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