Of course đ I still remember I believe when Amy was in 4th grade maybe? Her school took that grade on a bus field trip to Inner Space Caverns. Jim was going almost every weekend then remapping the cave, and Amy got her teacher to let Jim come give a talk on the cave, and demonstrate the use of a carbide lamp. I still smile over the memory of their reaction when he cupped his hand over the reflector and fired that sucker up! That pop made everyone jump, and the smell!! The teacher did not let him keep it lit long, but it certainly heightened their anticipation for the trip - even though just on the trail đ A little knowledge...
Mimi Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:58 PM, Bill Steele <cwilliamste...@gmail.com> wrote: > > He did indeed. Thank him for me. > > Bill > >> On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:13 PM, Mimi Jasek <mjca...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> ï»żAnd James Jasek provided a good bit of the carbide as I remember! >> >> Mimi Jasek >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Bill Steele <cwilliamste...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Here in Texas we have an annual auction benefitting the good work of the >>> Texas Cave Management Association (TCMA - see: https://www.tcmacaves.org/). >>> I was the first auctioneer about 16 years ago, and a good time is always >>> had by all. >>> >>> For the auctions in 2018 and 2019 I offered a carbide-lamp-only trip for >>> six cavers to a long and mostly walking passage in Texasâ second longest >>> cave. It raised $1,500 the first year and $1,200 the second, as I recall. >>> This item was the finale of the auction and saw fierce bidding. >>> >>> The most fun was the trip itself. To be with younger cavers who had never >>> operated a carbide lamp, smelled one, blew into one to get it to flare up, >>> and to get a loud âpop!â when lighting one, was a joy for me. One caver >>> said to me after the trip, âItâs like every carbide lamp has itâs own >>> personality: one you blow into, one you shake, one you speak nicely to; >>> theyâre all differentâ >>> >>> Cavingly yours, >>> >>> Bill Steele (NSS 8072) >>> Irving, Texas >>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 3:51 PM, Linda Starr <lstarr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> ï»ż >>>> Mimi, >>>> You should donate your carbide and carbide lamps to some grotto that will >>>> use them, maybe for a carbide-specific grotto trip, as the Sandia Grotto >>>> may be planning. Just a suggestion. Take it or leave it and >>>> Take care, >>>> Linda Starr >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 7:50 PM Mimi Jasek <mjca...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Iâm with you Pete. Jim never went to Suunto - always Brunton. But then he >>>>> did not do much wet cave surveying, nor deep vertical stuff. Although he >>>>> will never go caving again, we still have lots of carbide lamps and some >>>>> carbide, along with our LED lights. I still love that smell! Lol >>>>> >>>>> Mimi Jasek >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 8:26 PM, P Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruntonâs also work well, but there is hardly anyone left that knows how >>>>>> to use one. >>>>>> >>>>>> Years ago 5 of us were surveying a mile in a wet suit stream passage in >>>>>> Colossal Cave, Ky. Roger Brucker and Alan Hill went to the âendâ to >>>>>> survey back, Art & Peg Palmer and myself started surveying âinâ. We made >>>>>> good time and bragged about it when we met the other team. Their story >>>>>> was that the Brunton was dropped in a muddy pool, too muddy to see the >>>>>> instrument. When they finally fished it out of the drink it was full of >>>>>> water. But they used their carbide lights to boil out the water, and >>>>>> when dry enough they started surveying. Canât do that today with LED >>>>>> lights. >>>>>> >>>>>> My 3 Bruntonâs still work, long ago my 3-4 Suuntos clouded up and were >>>>>> no longer useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Pete >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 1:20 PM, John Lyles <j...@losalamos.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> George, thanks for sharing this. Ben Meadows and FS used to be >>>>>>> competitors. I'm glad at least one is still going. I just tossed my old >>>>>>> hardcopy catalogs from them the other day. Around 2006 we started >>>>>>> noticing that the face of Suuntos was getting cracked frequently. They >>>>>>> had changed to some different plastic fabrication. It's possible that >>>>>>> the earlier ones had a domed lens where the newer ones were flat. Many >>>>>>> cavers started gluing a thin sheet of transparent polycarbonate over >>>>>>> the lens, still admitting light of course. Another solution was to >>>>>>> always keep it in the pouch and add a thin piece or Micarta or FR4 >>>>>>> circuit board material 0.03 or 0.06 thick in the pouch on the face >>>>>>> side. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Nat Park at Carlsbad was slow at adopting this approach and those >>>>>>> of us who broke our share of government Suuntos were intimately >>>>>>> familiar with the problem. We carried them in small Otter boxes but it >>>>>>> was inevitable that someone would be shooting a station in a crawl and >>>>>>> accidentally crawl to the next shot with it hanging from neck, to then >>>>>>> find that unmistakeable wet spot on their shirt with that oily fluid. >>>>>>> It wasn't abnormal to have one leaking out of 4 that we took >>>>>>> underground on camp trips, so extras were brought along. I think the >>>>>>> CRO had a regular annual budget item repairing them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On one trip we took a CRO staffer on the second trip up to OZ in >>>>>>> Lechuguilla Cave. Between three of us we had several Suuntos, despite >>>>>>> my suggestion that we bring extras. I think we managed to kill one, >>>>>>> leaking fluid, tried duct tape, hold it only face up, etc. We managed >>>>>>> to survey with a bubble and that finally changed the reluctance to >>>>>>> install plastic guards on the Park's inventory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Disto X2's also benefit from having a thin plastic sheet over the >>>>>>> display, as it can be cracked if pressed face against a rock, to ruin >>>>>>> a $500 instrument. I modified mine and the collection belonging to the >>>>>>> Fort Stanton Cave Study Project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2022, at 10:52 AM, George Veni <gv...@nckri.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> While many cavers are now using DistoX2s for surveying, many of us >>>>>>>> still have and use Suuntos. I was on trip yesterday and found the face >>>>>>>> of my Suunto compass had cracked, creating a large bubble inside the >>>>>>>> instrument that makes it hard to use accurately. Years ago, Iâd send >>>>>>>> my Suuntos off to the Ben Meadow Company for repair. I hadnât heard of >>>>>>>> anyone doing that recently, so I looked into it and am posting this >>>>>>>> note in case anyone finds it helpful. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ben Meadows is now part of Forestry Suppliers. And they do repair >>>>>>>> Suunto compasses and clinometers (among other things) for about $100 >>>>>>>> less than buying a new one. For more information, go to >>>>>>>> https://www.forestry-suppliers.com/RepairList.php. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> George >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ******************** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> George Veni, PhD >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> President, International Union of Speleology (UIS) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NCKRI address (primary) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Office: +575-887-5517 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mobile: +210-863-5919 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fax: +575-887-5523 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> gv...@nckri.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.nckri.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> UIS address >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Titov trg 2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Postojna, 6230 Slovenia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.uis-speleo.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.iyck2021.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" >>>>>>> group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/fb6b1c7a-3aee-46eb-8ee4-e6e02bda0664%40losalamos.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/0A3F73C2-444D-4093-BBF9-BB96999349AA%40gmail.com. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to swrcavers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/swrcavers/49D4621B-6D5C-462B-9A30-12F004F3CFEA%40gmail.com. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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