Amen brother Gill El martes, 18 de junio de 2013, Gill Edigar escribió:
> Gruta del Palmito (Bustamante) was my first wild cave. It was a > mind-altering experience. I have watched the situation concerning the cave > go through many changes over the years. It has been a very jerky > Mexican-type natural progression from a totally wild, ask nobody for > permission, do whatever you want wherever you want to do it, sort of cave > to a gated tourist attraction with an artificial entrance tunnel. In the > early days we had to follow a burro trail across the thorn infested desert > to get there; today there's a road that more closely resembles the main > runway of an international airport. Cavers have helped with some of the > intermediate steps of the progress and enhanced goodwill with those > responsible for the welfare of the cave. But otherwise US cavers (with a > couple of notable exceptions) have been of little importance in the overall > development of the cave, including the cleanup and restoration work done by > the TSA Projects held there in the last few years of the '90s. Their > commercialization efforts would have gone on without us. We were just an > adjunct to everything else. It is my general opinion that the situation and > development at Gruta del Palmito would have taken place pretty much > exactly the way it did if cavers would never had lifted a hand otherwise. > We have not been betrayed despite our efforts in Palmito any more than > cavers have been betrayed by the commercialization of, say, Caverns of > Sonora. A few Texans served with technical advice but the overall scheme > of things was basically a local effort. Cavers can still get off-trail > access through prior arrangement. > --Ediger > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Louise Power > <power_lou...@hotmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > 'power_lou...@hotmail.com');> > > wrote: > >> Mimi, >> >> I remember one of my first trips down there. I think Orion was the trip >> leader, but I'm not sure who else was there. We had just started down from >> the entrance on the breakdown slope when way off in the distance we kept >> hearing somebody calling "Luz," "Luz". So we all shown our lights downhill >> toward the cries and saw 3 or 4 of the local guys crawling around down >> below with no light trying to figure their way out. I can't remember how >> long they said they'd been in the dark, but it had been quite awhile (or >> maybe it just seemed that way). We loaned them a couple of our extra >> flashlights and they trotted off toward the entrance. >> >> Good practical reinforcement of one of the first rules of caving for me >> for me on one of my first "big cave" trips--never go without 3 independent >> sources of light. >> >> Of course, mine didn't have the lasting exitement yours did. >> >> Louise >> >> > From: mjca...@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', >> 'mjca...@gmail.com');> >> > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500 >> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', >> 'texascavers@texascavers.com');> >> > Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering >> > >> > 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on >> my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. Destination - >> Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never >> stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think anyone ever wrote up that >> trip, either. >> > >> > Time flies when you're having fun:) >> > >> > Mimi Jasek >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', >> > 'texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com');> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > texascavers-h...@texascavers.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', >> > 'texascavers-h...@texascavers.com');> >> > >> > >