texascavers Digest 26 Apr 2011 17:30:24 -0000 Issue 1299
Topics (messages 17667 through 17670):
Interesting Article
17667 by: Mark Minton
Re: Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...
17668 by: Fritz Holt
TV show featuring a cave with Maya wall ??
17669 by: Mixon Bill
17670 by: Allan Cobb
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Article about life-long female caver Liz
Price:
<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42752602/ns/technology_and_science-science/>.
Mark Minton
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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For more help to get the work done on those one or two person projects, the
trip leader should have an idea of who might come to get down and dirty and not
just for the party afterwards. They could invite a select few, possibly a
dozen, and six or eight might show up. The leader could then see who the
"workers" are and be sure they were on the next invite list. For somewhat
private caves with visitation only by cavers known by the land owner to respect
the property (and there are many), the land owner would probably trust the
judgment of the caver to invite only cavers of like kind. Were I free of an
important obligation I would enjoy digs and clean up projects as I am an
anti-litter extremeist.
Fritz
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From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 6:47 AM
To: S S; texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...
Agreed and you're correct that there are a lot of little projects that are
conducted "by one or two people that could be included in a larger project".
This has been one of my biggest and oldest pet peeves, going all the way back
when I was a new member at the DFW Grotto.
These less than well-publicized (read "secret"?) trips to caves that only a
chosen few ever hear about or get invited on.
Surely, there's a way to keep the amount of folks attending to a reasonable
level while still being inclusive to other cavers, new or experienced.
I don't recall ever conducting a project weekend that was not publicized and
the number of folks who attended was always manageable.
If you want only 6 or 8 cavers, say so!
Inclusiveness equals interest, participation, enthusiasm and a healthy
TSA/Grotto.
Cliquishness equals poor/no camaraderie, disinterest, and a loss of members.
The UT Grotto has been very good at getting new cavers underground, primarily
at Whirlpool, which is an excellent beginner cave.
The Longhorn Project, which I am in charge of, was a blast, before and after
ICS and helped get a lot of new cavers underground, primarily from and a big
thanks to the Aggie Grotto!
If you have a "Grotto Only" trip, surely you can advertise it on CaveTex and
allow a few more other cavers from cave poor areas of the state (read "DFW") to
attend.
If you want to limit the size, say so, but, Publicize, Publicize, Publicize!
Mark
From: S S [mailto:back2scool...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:27 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...
We need more caving trip events to local caves....Whirlpool, Airmans, Blowing
Sink, Organized Digs?..Hard bargin. I don't think there are enough trips to
keep people interested. Digs are always a good project and a great way to move
a ton of material in a small time. Surely there must be some projects out there
being worked on one bucket at a time by one or two people that could be
included in a larger project. VOlonteers love projects...
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From: mark.al...@l-3com.com
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:30:06 -0500
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
CC: texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...
But, what can the TSA do for you!
Michael Cicherski emailed the TSA officers this query and we all would like to
solicit your (constructive and positive) ideas, improvements, likes/dislikes,
and things you would like to see the TSA do.
From Michael:
What can we (the TSA) do for the remainder of the year to make a difference? Is
there anything that we can pro-actively to show the TSA is the premier caving
organization in the State? How can we make the TSA the "place to go" for all
things caving?
I will be up front and say that I have no answers to my own question. It is
more of a question that we need to ponder as we move into the summer months.
With the exception of the Texas Caver and TSA Convention we are relatively
dormant during these summer months. Perhaps we could have 2 -4 training classes
at TCR in October. Workshops limited to the first 25 cavers on such topics as
cave photography, vertical beginner, vertical advance, cartography beginner,
cartography advanced.
We currently have around 150 members and it has fluctuated around there since I
have been an officer. The officers and I are interested in building more
excitement and enthusiasm for the TSA, which will then bring in more members.
I just attended a superb climbing class conducted by Lloyd Turnbull and the
Cowtown Grotto. These are the type of things we're interested in promoting and
conducting.
So now is your chance! Rather than listen to me browbeat y'all about needing
material for The TEXAS CAVER (which, I still do!) get your thinking caps on and
send us some feedback!
If you would like to volunteer to head something up, don't be shy about that,
as well!
I will be out of commission for the next couple of days getting a couple of
kidney stones annihilated, but while you're sending me money, flowers, candy,
and best wishes, think about ways we can improve the TSA.
We're all in this cave together!
Thanks!
Mark, Ellie, Michael, and Denise
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The AMCS has received the following query about a cave with an ancient
Maya wall that was featured in a (Russian, I assume) TV show. I have
replied that I have no idea which cave that might have been, and I
included a PDF attachment of the article on Balancanche from AMCS
Activites Newsletter 27 (2004), which is probably the most famous
example of a cave with a wall behind which archaeologists found a lot
of neat stuff. If anybody can help Vacheslav about the TV program,
please do. I don't know whether the movie was made just for Russian TV
or was something imported that you might have seen over here. I have
seen no such video, but then I don't even have a TV.
--Mixon
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From: Вячеслав Бабышев <vachesla...@mail.ru>
Date: April 26, 2011 8:51:15 AM CDT
To: edi...@amcs-pubs.org
Subject: ASSOCIATION FOR MEXICAN CAVE STUDIES
Reply-To: Вячеслав Бабышев <vachesla...@mail.ru>
Hello! I have a question about the Mayan archeology. In the mid 90's.
I watched an interesting TV show. In it a group of people studied
karst systems in the Yucatan. In the most profound and far from the
surface of the cave they found a small, stuffy stones input (such as
having the right kind of masonry), supposedly leading to the lower
world (or sanctuary) Maya. This entry is supposed walled Mayan priests
to keep out [of] a sacred space aliens (such as Spanish) when they
invaded their land. Log razmurovyvat did not. On this TV show has
ended. Information about this entry, I never found it. If you know
something, please tell us: what was this cave and to actually lead
this entry? Thank you in advance.
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I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "Yes, the
things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain
to me how everything works." That's when I wake up.
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In 2001, I was on a project to "open a wall in a Maya cave to discover the
secrets that were hidden behind it" that was chronicled by Danish TV and
newspaper through the DK Explorer. Unfortunately, we were not able to get
permission from the village to enter the cave. It added lots of drama as we
negotiated with the village to get in. That whole fiasco was an adventure and
story in itself.
You can find a little more information at http://templehunter.dk/photo.htm if
you scroll down to Ekspeditionen i 2001. I hope your Danish is good but you
can see some photos there and might even recognize some Texas cavers. The rest
of the website (http://templehunter.dk/) chronicles the adventures of the great
Danish explorer Christian Christianson who travels to Guatemala in search of
temples and caves. Christian is mostly a legend in his own mind but he does
have a website and managed to come up with some money for us to work with for a
while. There may be some information archived in DK Explorer website but having
knowledge of Danish would help.
Allan
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From: Mixon Bill
To: Cavers Texas
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:13 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] TV show featuring a cave with Maya wall ??
The AMCS has received the following query about a cave with an ancient Maya
wall that was featured in a (Russian, I assume) TV show. I have replied that I
have no idea which cave that might have been, and I included a PDF attachment
of the article on Balancanche from AMCS Activites Newsletter 27 (2004), which
is probably the most famous example of a cave with a wall behind which
archaeologists found a lot of neat stuff. If anybody can help Vacheslav about
the TV program, please do. I don't know whether the movie was made just for
Russian TV or was something imported that you might have seen over here. I have
seen no such video, but then I don't even have a TV.
--Mixon
Begin forwarded message:
From: Вячеслав Бабышев <vachesla...@mail.ru>
Date: April 26, 2011 8:51:15 AM CDT
To: edi...@amcs-pubs.org
Subject: ASSOCIATION FOR MEXICAN CAVE STUDIES
Reply-To: Вячеслав Бабышев <vachesla...@mail.ru>
Hello! I have a question about the Mayan archeology. In the mid 90's. I
watched an interesting TV show. In it a group of people studied karst systems
in the Yucatan. In the most profound and far from the surface of the cave they
found a small, stuffy stones input (such as having the right kind of masonry),
supposedly leading to the lower world (or sanctuary) Maya. This entry is
supposed walled Mayan priests to keep out [of] a sacred space aliens (such as
Spanish) when they invaded their land. Log razmurovyvat did not. On this TV
show has ended. Information about this entry, I never found it. If you know
something, please tell us: what was this cave and to actually lead this entry?
Thank you in advance.
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I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "Yes, the things
your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how
everything works." That's when I wake up.
----------------------------------------
You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
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