Thanks Ken.
HGRP has also been working with the LNF in any way we can, with over a half
million dollars of volunteer value since 1999, with the goal to open or keep
caves open to recreational use in the LNF.
I'd also like to remind everyone that R2 of USFS and Colorado BLM actually used
NM as an example to re-open/keep caves open. We should be appreciative of all
the hard work our NM agencies have done to keep caves open in the face of WNS
fears.
If anyone has any questions on WNS, let me know. I am the SWR WNS liaison and
on the NSS and WBWG WNS committees.
Very few caves in the LNF are closed for WNS fears, unfortunately those few
caves are as popular with people as they are with bats. My understanding is
that the majority of caves in the LNF are closed to recreational caving due to
lack of management resources. This issue has hit the NPS even harder than the
forest.
We need to focus on changing the BLM closure order before it is renewed as is.
Several of the caves are not hibernacula (or were just historically and are not
current significant bat roosts), and allowing local offices to approve permits
based on current MOU's would be beneficial.
Jennifer
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Subject: RE: [SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:30:28 -0600
Jen, Knutt,
I have been working at the Lincoln National Forest level to get some of the
caves currently closed reopened. I will also now start writing to the FS
officials in Alburqueque level to advise them of our concerns over the extended
time that the caves have been closed and the fact that there is no indcation
that WNS has moved any closer to NM in the last two years.
Ken
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Subject: Re: [SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
Knutt,
Thanks again for the heads up,
Pajarito Grotto had our meeting last night and we will be sending in a
statement to the BLM.
I have also been working on an email to the NM Interagency WNS committee to
follow up on the Nov 2010 meeting on behalf of SWR.
Jennifer
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Subject: [SWR] Upcoming BLM cave closure document.
All,
As many of you are aware, BLM has had a closure on 23 caves on public lands for
the last 20 months.
This closure is going to be looked at AGAIN in the next few months, and who
knows what the decision will be. If nothing is done on the caving communities
part, it will look the same - Caves will be closed for the next two years,
again.
I have brought the following documents to the attention of Chuck Schmidt, RFO
Field Manager and Doug Burger, Pecos District Manager. They like what this
could represent. I believe that a closure modified to look like the one that
USFS region 2 is using is a step in the right direction to keeping caving
relatively open, OK so you still have to decon. What the USFS's modified
closure does different is it creates an exception to the closure for NSS & CRF
members doing any work related to a MOU with the USFS. BLM has a MOU with NSS.
This might be the ticket for us cavers to have an easier time getting into
closed caves. I am personally getting tired of doing battle with the White Nose
Committee for every trip that goes to a closed cave. Something has to change.
This USFS agreement gives the decision of which permits get approved back to
the local USFS office.
Pay close attention to exception 6
PDF of new closure order
http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5383210.pdf
Web site for closure order
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/home/?cid=stelprdb5386976
Working for BLM, I can't tell you what to do as the caving community, and I am
already pulling many strings on this end.
So, if the writing isn't already on the wall......then you should let Carl
Pagano nominate you for something, (I hear he's good at that).
Lastly, work with your local BLM office. The BLM Pecos District is the hub of
NM caving. They want cavers caving!
Please spread this information to anyone not on this email list.
Knutt Peterson
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