texascavers Digest 18 Jun 2010 19:09:51 -0000 Issue 1084
Topics (messages 15156 through 15172):
Re: Underground Caves
15156 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
15157 by: Fritz Holt
Re: a cave question (Cave Entrance Tags)
15158 by: Saj Zappitello
Memorial Service for Rebecca O'Daniel-Hutchins
15159 by: Fran Hutchins
Blind Descent Author on Jon Stewart
15160 by: Matt Turner
OT Luling
15161 by: Nico Escamilla
US FWS WNS Briefing in DC
15162 by: R D Milhollin
YouTube related
15163 by: David
Kickapoo Cavern State Park Now Open :
15164 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com
Texas Cavers Poster
15165 by: Geary Schindel
15166 by: Charles Goldsmith
15167 by: Joe Ranzau
15168 by: Geary Schindel
15169 by: SS
Re: Bomber Gear site launch
15170 by: Glen Goldsmith
15171 by: Matt Turner
Re: Breaking into a Garage in 60 Seconds
15172 by: Fritz Holt
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There sure are a lot of above ground cavers!
---- felicia vreeland <[email protected]> wrote:
> Okay, since Ediger hasn't weighed in I'll ask. Are there alot of above
> ground caves?
> Felicia
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Butch Fralia
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > Any central Texas experts on drilling into caves?
> >
> >
> >
> > This came to [email protected].
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> >
> >
> > I would like to get in touch with someone that knows about
> > underground caves. We have come across a cave while drilling for a water
> > well on our ranch in Central Texas. The cave starts around thirty feet under
> > the top soil; it maybe very large. The drillers came across it four times
> > in past few years and has been about a mile apart from the drill
> > locations. They seem to think that it is eight feet in height. We already
> > have a nine inch hole drilled on location. If anyone is interested in
> > looking at the site and possibly exploring with a camera, please get in
> > touch with me.
> >
> > [email protected] Phone # 325-451-7120
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> --
> Felicia Vreeland
> http:www.universallivingwage.org
> http:www.housethehomeless.org
> PO Box 2312
> Austin, Texas 78768
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And a few below. R.I.P.
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:08 PM
To: Butch Fralia; felicia vreeland
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Underground Caves
There sure are a lot of above ground cavers!
---- felicia vreeland <[email protected]> wrote:
> Okay, since Ediger hasn't weighed in I'll ask. Are there alot of above
> ground caves?
> Felicia
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Butch Fralia
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > Any central Texas experts on drilling into caves?
> >
> >
> >
> > This came to [email protected].
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to get in touch with someone that knows about
> > underground caves. We have come across a cave while drilling for a water
> > well on our ranch in Central Texas. The cave starts around thirty feet under
> > the top soil; it maybe very large. The drillers came across it four times
> > in past few years and has been about a mile apart from the drill
> > locations. They seem to think that it is eight feet in height. We already
> > have a nine inch hole drilled on location. If anyone is interested in
> > looking at the site and possibly exploring with a camera, please get in
> > touch with me.
> >
> > [email protected] Phone # 325-451-7120
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Felicia Vreeland
> http:www.universallivingwage.org
> http:www.housethehomeless.org
> PO Box 2312
> Austin, Texas 78768
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The "caves" off of 1604 have been explored as part of environmental
investigations having to do with roadway improvements by the Alamo Regional
Mobility Authority. Alamo RMA has been requesting public input for the
highway projects. Please visit their website www.alamorma.org/ for more
information and send them comments if you live in San Antonio or use the
highway system in San Antonio.
~Saj
*
There appear to be a small number of tagged caves between 281 and I-10
directly off of 1604 in the northern San Antonio area.
Does anyone know if these have been explored?
Some of them appear to have fresh piles of dirt/rocks at the entrances.
Leslie Bell*
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The Memorial Service for Rebecca O'Daniel-Hutchins will be held at Alamo
Heights Presbyterian Church on Saturday June 19th at 10:30 am with a
reception to follow.
Alamo Heights Presbyterian Church
6201 Broadway St
San Antonio, TX 78209-4562
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/16/jon-stewart-author-interv_n_614231.html
Who's ready for some rescues here in Austin??
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
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Are there any cavers in or near Luling TX?
please contact me off list
Nico
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>From the VARlist: Peter Youngbaer, the NSS White Nose Syndrome adds that there
>will be an upcoming announcement of a national WNS plan. Hopefully Crash and
>others connected with this can keep cavers on the list informed on what is
>said.
________________________________________________________________________
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, U.S. Geological Survey, National Park
Service, U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management invite you to a
briefing on WNS -- white-nose syndrome.
Thursday, June 24, 2010
2:30 p.m., Room 283
Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies
444 North Capitol Street NW
Washington, D.C. 20001
Since white-nose syndrome in bats was first documented, the disease has
killed more than a million bats in the Northeast and has now spread west
of the Appalachians and into Canada. Scientists predict that the disease will
continue spreading to additional states, and that more than half of the 45
species of bats living in the United States may be at risk. Come hear what
federal, state and local scientists and wildlife managers are doing to
understand WNS, document disease occurrence, develop and apply management
approaches in response, and minimize the risk to vulnerable bat species.
For more information, contact Edith Thompson (FWS) at 703/358-2267, Bill
Lukas (USGS) at 703/648-6168 or LaTonya Ward (NPS) at 202/208-7676.
_____________________________
Marci Caplis
Deputy Assistant Regional Director
External Affairs - Northeast Region
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
300 Westgate Center Drive
Hadley, MA 01035-9589
413/253-8321 office
413/253-8456 fax
[email protected]
Visit us on the Web - http://www.fws.gov/northeast
Follow us on Twitter - http://twitter.com/USFWSNortheast
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It looks like there are way over 100 videos related to caves in Texas
on YouTube.
For example,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANfzn5s7DSM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ntB6cpclc
( On a related note, there is a rumor that there is a similar program like that
one in the video this Sunday. )
Ref:
http://events.mysanantonio.com/boerne-tx/events/show/123564845-summer-solstice-concert
Here are some other YouTube Texas cave videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZatyjYFY5I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WKxDxwYiMU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tiu_kF4t1F8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUxPpksr2t8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KxPu-_HasM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Cs0rVknJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUGRpvn1y98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9LCapEbMt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zStIB_XsNyo
[ Disclaimer: I haven't watched these videos yet ]
You can find the videos by doing a YouTube search by typing, "TX cave"
or "TX caving"
and "TX spelunk" etc.
There may be similar videos on non-YouTube sites. I didn't look.
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Kickapoo Cavern State Park Now Open
June 14, 2:20 PM_Houston Hunting Examiner_
(http://www.examiner.com/x-15261-Houston-Hunting-Examiner) Daniel Smith
(http://www.texasstateparks.org/)
After years of limited access, visitors from as far away as Houston, Austin
and San Antonio came out to enjoy the day's free activities at the grand
opening of Kickapoo Cavern State Park on Saturday, marking the first day the
park is open for full public access for recreation and overnight camping,
after more than 20 years of limited public visitation.
Highlighting the day's activities was the dedication of the Seargeant
Memorial Trail, a hike and bike trail named in honor of the late Tommy
Seargeant, former Kinney County Judge and rancher. The Seargeant family owned
the
property before selling it to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, with the
expressed intent that the public be able to access and enjoy the land.
Today, the 6,300-acre park preserves three distinct eco-regions: the Texas
Hill
Country, Trans-Pecos and South Texas Brush Country.
"I think this is an extraordinary realization of Judge Seargeant's vision
to see this property transformed to a state park, particularly for the
folks of Kinney County," said TPWD Executive Director Carter Smith. "He had a
lot of pride in this part of Texas, and he wanted to protect it so that the
people here could always enjoy it. Tommy Seargeant was a friend of my
family for some 15 years, and my only regret is that he was not here to see
it.
But I have no doubt that he was looking down on us today."
Visitors who ventured out to the grand opening at Kickapoo Cavern, located
some 22 miles outside the town of Brackettville, enjoyed hiking tours,
birding tours, plant and nature walks, archaeology exhibits, mountain biking
and wild cave tours of Kickapoo Cavern.
The day closed with a bat flight viewing at Stuart Bat Cave, one of some
20 caves located inside the park, where hundreds of thousands of Mexican
free-tailed bats emerge at dusk for their nightly hunting trip for insects
during warm weather months.
For more information, contact Kickapoo Cavern State Park at (830)
563-2342, or visit the park's Web site _www.texasstateparks.org_
(http://www.texasstateparks.org)
_http://www.examiner.com/x-15261-Houston-Hunting-Examiner~y2010m6d14-Kickapo
o-Cavern-State-Park-Now-Open_
(http://www.examiner.com/x-15261-Houston-Hunting-Examiner~y2010m6d14-Kickapoo-Cavern-State-Park-Now-Open)
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Joe, Grace, Geoff, or Aimee, or anyone else
I was asked a very interesting question today about the Texas Cavers poster.
What cave is representative by the cave map at the top of the poster.
It has a Crownover Entrance listed on the map but no name. Is this Crownover
Saltpeter Cave in Alabama LOL.
Geary
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Geary, I don't know the answer to your question, but the movie and poster
are about Texas Cavers, not Texas Caves, it could very well be one from out
of state or out of country :)
Charles
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Geary Schindel <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Joe, Grace, Geoff, or Aimee, or anyone else
>
>
>
> I was asked a very interesting question today about the Texas Cavers
> poster. What cave is representative by the cave map at the top of the
> poster.
>
>
>
> It has a Crownover Entrance listed on the map but no name. Is this
> Crownover Saltpeter Cave in Alabama LOL.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
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I recall a Crownover entrance to Longhorn Caverns too...
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>wrote:
> Geary, I don't know the answer to your question, but the movie and poster
> are about Texas Cavers, not Texas Caves, it could very well be one from out
> of state or out of country :)
>
> Charles
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Geary Schindel <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Joe, Grace, Geoff, or Aimee, or anyone else
>>
>>
>>
>> I was asked a very interesting question today about the Texas Cavers
>> poster. What cave is representative by the cave map at the top of the
>> poster.
>>
>>
>>
>> It has a Crownover Entrance listed on the map but no name. Is this
>> Crownover Saltpeter Cave in Alabama LOL.
>>
>>
>>
>> Geary
>>
>
>
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Thanks all,
Looks like the mystery is solved.
g
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lyndon Tiu
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 9:26 AM
To: Charles Goldsmith
Cc: Geary Schindel; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Poster
Definitely Longhorn. I recognize the map like the back of my hand, been through
there a few times for the ICS.
Of course, we lost access to that excellent cave due to the careless actions of
some brain-dead cavers.
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Charles Goldsmith
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Geary, I don't know the answer to your question, but the movie and poster are
about Texas Cavers, not Texas Caves, it could very well be one from out of
state or out of country :)
Charles
--
Lyndon Tiu
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We just dug it back open here recently! Well, I guess its been over a year.
Fantastic through trip for anyone who has not visited the cave.
_____
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Ranzau
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 9:25 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Poster
I recall a Crownover entrance to Longhorn Caverns too...
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>
wrote:
Geary, I don't know the answer to your question, but the movie and poster
are about Texas Cavers, not Texas Caves, it could very well be one from out
of state or out of country :)
Charles
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Geary Schindel
<[email protected]> wrote:
Joe, Grace, Geoff, or Aimee, or anyone else
I was asked a very interesting question today about the Texas Cavers poster.
What cave is representative by the cave map at the top of the poster.
It has a Crownover Entrance listed on the map but no name. Is this
Crownover Saltpeter Cave in Alabama LOL.
Geary
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I emailed the email listed at the crawldaddies website...... no response
yet.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Mallory Mayeux <[email protected]> wrote:
> I was SUPEREXCITED to see this...I love Bomber Gear kneepads!
>
> However, I called them back in January '09 b/c there wasn't any caving gear
> available on their website, and they said knee/elbow pads would be ready by
> April of that year. So I'm a little bit cynical, but hopefully they will be
> up and running soon.
>
> Until then, Crawldaddies are an excellent substitute. :)
>
> Mallory
>
>
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http://www.innermountainoutfitters.net/catalogentry.php?subcategoryid=12&page=1&catalogentryid=780&brand=Crawldaddies
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
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From: Glen Goldsmith <[email protected]>
To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 10:59:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Bomber Gear site launch
I emailed the email listed at the crawldaddies website...... no response yet.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Mallory Mayeux <[email protected]> wrote:
I was SUPEREXCITED to see this...I love Bomber Gear kneepads!
>
>However, I called them back in January '09 b/c there wasn't any caving gear
>available on their website, and they said knee/elbow pads would be ready by
>April of that year. So I'm a little bit cynical, but hopefully they will be up
>and running soon.
>
>Until then, Crawldaddies are an excellent substitute. :)
>Mallory
>
>
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A PUBLIC SERVICE SHORT VIDEO.
The glass windows make it even easier.
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From: Carolyn [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:44 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; Fritz Holt;
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Fw: Fwd: Fw: Breaking into a Garage in 60 Seconds
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From: James Liepke
Sent: Jun 18, 2010 8:26 AM
To: Dan Kibler , darrell loesch , Doyle Peterson , lee-sharon davis , Mike and
Dee Rogers , Charles Rich , Frank Frazzitta , Jim James , Ron Munos , Wayne
Young , Bud Metcalf , Patti Liepke , larry loft , Ken Lyon , kerry king , Al
McGee , Richard Benzon , Richard Krocza
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Breaking into a Garage in 60 Seconds
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Watch this and then go check your garage door.......
Please look at your garage door
After our home inspection the inspector noted that our garage door had a dent
in it. Rhys and I were in the garage last night talking about it and trying to
figure out how it got a dent in it. Finally figured out someone tried to break
in. Then I searched youtube and found the below video. Please watch it. I
took the pull string off of ours and zip tied the lever up to the slider. Now
you have to cut the zip tie in order to release the lever. Please pass on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMz1tXBVT1s
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