texascavers Digest 21 May 2010 21:11:23 -0000 Issue 1054

Fri, 21 May 2010 14:11:35 -0700 (PDT) 

texascavers Digest 21 May 2010 21:11:23 -0000 Issue 1054

Topics (messages 14809 through 14821):

Re: WNS in Oklahoma--Moving very fast. Significant concern
        14809 by: Louise Power

Krizak Kave
        14810 by: Ron Ralph
        14811 by: germanyj.aol.com

Cass Cave permanently protected
        14812 by: Lee H. Skinner
        14814 by: Mark Minton

WNS action
        14813 by: Sam Young
        14815 by: John Brooks
        14816 by: Stefan Creaser
        14817 by: John Brooks
        14818 by: Stefan Creaser
        14821 by: Rod Goke

the Cookout summary
        14819 by: David

Re: grotto dues question
        14820 by: Tim Stich

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I sent this information out on Monday. If you'll note, the original message 
came from:
 
Dixie L. Birch, Ph.D.
> Field Supervisor/Project Leader
> Oklahoma Ecological Services Field Office
> 9014 E. 21st Street
> Tulsa, OK 74129
> Phone: (918) 382-4504
> Fax: (918) 581-7467
> Email: [email protected]
 
and was forwarded to us by:
 
Pat Ormsbee - R-6 Bat Specialist
> Willamette NF
> 3106 Pierce Parkway, Suite D
> Springfield, OR 97477
> [email protected]
> 541-225-6442
> c 541-954-0083
 
I don't think that's heresay, yet nobody made comments on the information.

 

Was it something I did?

 Louise






From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:11:10 -0700
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: WNS in Oklahoma--Moving very fast. Significant 
concern



This came to me this morning in my office e-mail. Take note fellow Texans, etc, 
it's right on your doorstep now.
 
Louise
 
> Subject: Fw: WNS in Oklahoma--Moving very fast. Significant concern
> To: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:05:12 -0700
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Louise Power
> Finance Tech
> Medford District Office
> 541-618-2211
> ----- Forwarded by Louise Power/MDFO/OR/BLM/DOI on 05/17/2010 12:04 PM
> -----
> 
> Carole 
> Jorgensen/MDFO/OR 
> /BLM/DOI To 
> OR MDFO DELT, Diane 
> 05/17/2010 10:56 Parry/MDFO/OR/BLM/DOI@BLM, Susan 
> AM Lee/MDFO/OR/BLM/DOI, Kirby 
> Bean/MDFO/OR/BLM/DOI@BLM 
> cc 
> 
> Subject 
> Fw: WNS in Oklahoma--Moving very 
> fast. Significant concern 
> 
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> 
> Wanted to keep all in the loop on the spread of White Nose Syndrome on
> bats, since this information isn't being shared much beyond biologists.
> This spread is unprecedented and the effects have significant ecological
> and conservation concerns. The skip from MO to OK could not be caused by
> bat or animal migration, so one can only assume human (or equipment)
> spread. At this rate, it could be here soon. We do not have any listed
> bats in Medford, but do have some on the SSS list. The death rate is so
> high with WNS that even common bats are dying at unprecedented rates and
> entire colonies are being killed.
> 
> Thanks for maintaining equipment standards and please keep up diligence in
> sterilizing equipment and educating our mining/cave involved publics.
> ----- Forwarded by Carole Jorgensen/MDFO/OR/BLM/DOI on 05/17/2010 10:49 AM
> -----
> 
> Pat 
> Ormsbee/R6/USDAFS 
> @FSNOTES To 
> Western Bios 
> 05/17/2010 10:33 cc 
> AM 
> Subject 
> WNS in Oklahoma 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> It was bad enough whenthis hit gray bats in MO, now it's confirmed in
> western Oklahoma.
> 
> "I am very sorry to bear some bad news this Friday evening, but we just
> found out about an hour ago, that a bat collected from a cave in western
> Oklahoma has tested 100% positive for the fungus associated with white-nose
> syndrome (WNS). White-nose syndrome has already caused the death of over 1
> million bats in the eastern United States. Below is an email from one of
> our biologists, Richard Stark, who gave a presentation on WNS at the
> project leader meeting here in February.
> 
> Richard Hatcher is the Director of the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife
> Conservation (ODWC) and we just spoke about closing the cave to public
> access and possibly issuing a joint press release early next week. Mr.
> Hatcher tells me that the cave is not generally open to the public.
> 
> This situation has a number of unusual circumstances associated with it.
> First, this is the first detection of possible WNS in the cave myotis
> species. It is the first detection of possible WNS in Region 2 or in
> Oklahoma and this represents the most western detection of WNS in the
> United States. This raises concerns for other bat species throughout the
> states in Region 2. Richard Stark provides a link below that will show you
> the range of cave myotis. We believe that this makes the 13th state where
> WNS has been found in the United States."
> 
> We will prepare a briefing paper for you and submit it next week.
> 
> Again, sorry to bear bad news,
> Dixie
> 
> Dixie L. Birch, Ph.D.
> Field Supervisor/Project Leader
> Oklahoma Ecological Services Field Office
> 9014 E. 21st Street
> Tulsa, OK 74129
> 
> Phone: (918) 382-4504
> Fax: (918) 581-7467
> Email: [email protected]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Laughter is the closest distance between two people" Victor Borge
> 
> Pat Ormsbee - R-6 Bat Specialist
> Willamette NF
> 3106 Pierce Parkway, Suite D
> Springfield, OR 97477
> [email protected]
> 
> 541-225-6442
> c 541-954-0083
>

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Central Texas Cavers,

 

Bill Russell has mostly recovered from his stroke and is ready to go caving.
Please join him at Ruby Ridge, Hays County, Monday morning, May 24, between
9 and 10am to celebrate. We will be cleaning out a vertical shaft that has
been filled with small rock, then open up big passage (hopefully). Bring
appropriate tools, clothing and gloves. I will bring a ladder, shovel and a
wheelbarrow.

 

Please let me know off-line if you can attend, then just show at the cave.
The address is 1397 Ruby Ranch Road, Buda. Park on the road or the pipeline
ROW.

 

Ron Ralph, Coordinator

280-9648 or 797-3817

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 OMG - this is AWESOME news.  Congrats to William!!  The best therapy in the 
world is caving!  I wish I could join you.  I'll be in Austin next week for 3 
days (Wed-Fri) for a grants training course, but will have to miss this grand 
event at Krizak Kave.

Glueck Auf!

julia

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ralph <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 8:49 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Krizak Kave



Central Texas Cavers,
 
Bill Russell has mostly recovered from hisstroke and is ready to go caving. 
Please join him at Ruby Ridge, Hays County,Monday morning, May 24, between 9 
and 10am to celebrate. We will be cleaningout a vertical shaft that has been 
filled with small rock, then open up bigpassage (hopefully). Bring appropriate 
tools, clothing and gloves. I will bringa ladder, shovel and a wheelbarrow.
 
Please let me know off-line if you canattend, then just show at the cave. The 
address is 1397 Ruby Ranch Road, Buda.Park on the road or the pipeline ROW.
 
Ron Ralph, Coordinator
280-9648 or 797-3817

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--- Begin Message --- 
See article at:

http://www.whsv.com/westvirginiaap/headlines/94312429.html

Lee Skinner

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--- Begin Message --- Interesting. I am headed to Cass Cave this weekend for the first of three survey trips intended to finish up the map this summer. The cave is otherwise closed. That press release is slightly misleading about the protection it affords the cave, since the land in question does not contain either the main or Annex entrances, although a good bit of the cave underlies it. 

Mark Minton

At 12:48 PM 5/20/2010, Lee H. Skinner wrote:

See article at:

http://www.whsv.com/westvirginiaap/headlines/94312429.html

Lee Skinner


Please reply to [email protected]
Permanent email address is [email protected]
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--- Begin Message --- 
The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking 
for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition here:

http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815

........ Sam

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--- Begin Message --- 
This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL caves, 
occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS.

I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 

But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly 
considered proposals. 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" <[email protected]> wrote:

The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking 
for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition here:
 
http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815
 
........ Sam

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--- Begin Message --- 
If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn't be
responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies.

 

Just a thought ;-)

 

Stefan

 

From: John Brooks [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

 

This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL
caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US
because of WNS.

 

I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 

 

But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past
poorly considered proposals. 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" <[email protected]> wrote:

        The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to
congress asking for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the
petition here:

         

        
http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=38
15

         

        ........ Sam


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1. A human connection has not been proven one way or the other. Mr. Kennedy has 
pointed that out to us many times.

2. The proposed "ban" would NOT have impacted access to caves on private land.
Nor would it have prohibited infected bats from visiting other caves nearby....
 


Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2010, at 3:29 PM, "Stefan Creaser" <[email protected]> wrote:

If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn’t be 
responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies.

 

Just a thought ;-)

 

Stefan

 

From: John Brooks [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

 

This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL caves, 
occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS.

 

I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 

 

But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly 
considered proposals. 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" <[email protected]> wrote:

The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking 
for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition here:

 

http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815

 

........ Sam

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The winking smiley was supposed to denote a tongue-in-cheek comment. Oh well…

 

 

From: John Brooks [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:59 PM
To: Stefan Creaser
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

 

 

 

1. A human connection has not been proven one way or the other. Mr. Kennedy has 
pointed that out to us many times.

 

2. The proposed "ban" would NOT have impacted access to caves on private land.

Nor would it have prohibited infected bats from visiting other caves nearby....

 

 


Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2010, at 3:29 PM, "Stefan Creaser" <[email protected]> wrote:

        If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn’t be 
responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies.

         

        Just a thought ;-)

         

        Stefan

         

        From: John Brooks [mailto:[email protected]] 
        Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM
        Cc: texas cavers
        Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

         

        This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL 
caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of 
WNS.

         

        I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 

         

        But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past 
poorly considered proposals. 
        
        Sent from my iPhone

        
        On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" <[email protected]> wrote:

                The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to 
congress asking for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition 
here:

                 

                
http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815

                 

                ........ Sam

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John,

How would their proposed ban have affected commercial tourist trips in caves occupied by bats on Federal land? Did they propose to keep paying tourists out of Mammoth, Carlsbad, etc., or did they choose to look the other way in any Federally owned caves where significant money and political influence might have been involved?

Just curious,
Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: John Brooks
Sent: May 20, 2010 5:59 PM
To: Stefan Creaser
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action



1. A human connection has not been proven one way or the other. Mr. Kennedy has pointed that out to us many times.

2. The proposed "ban" would NOT have impacted access to caves on private land.
Nor would it have prohibited infected bats from visiting other caves nearby....
 


Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2010, at 3:29 PM, "Stefan Creaser" <[email protected]> wrote:

If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn’t be responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies.

 

Just a thought ;-)

 

Stefan

 

From: John Brooks [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

 

This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS.

 

I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 

 

But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly considered proposals. 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" <[email protected]> wrote:

The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition here:

 

 

........ Sam

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List-Post: [email protected]
Date:    Tomorrow ( May 21, thru May 23 )

Time:   Dinner served 6 p.m.  May 22nd
           ( breakfast and lunch served also )

Place:   Camp Happy Hollow
            2029 Happy Hollow Rd., Brenham, TX

Gate Code:   4490


I am optimistic, that those who come will be very glad
they did.    It will be warmer than I hoped for, but there
is no rain in the forecast ( high 92/low 70 )





More info:
________

I met the owner again at the camp today, and he assured me
everything is fine.

I will not be getting there til 6 or 7 p.m., so if you get there
before me, look at the map at the entrance and camp in the
section called Chippewa Village.

Do not drive car off onto grass around picnic pavilion.

Camping is FREE and that includes running water and
electricity at each camp.    Camp has rustic showers,
and 2 new toilets, separate from the shower building.

My cell number is 281-960-0687.

Dogs are o.k. but need to be kept on a leash when around
other people, and NOT present around the cooking.

What to bring:    an electric fan ?   a gadget to connect to the
water spout, such as a section of water hose,   a tent with lots
of netting, money if you want meat with your dinner.

I have assembled enough event equipment to host a huge week long
campout, but it will remain in storage 6 miles from the camp, unless
we need some of it.

Those coming from central Texas will pass thru the town of Burton on
Hwy. 290, then continue heading east.

Those coming from Houston, will go around Brenham, and Hwy 290 will
exit forming a loop.    The turn-off to the camp is 3.9 miles down 290 from
this loop.     There will be a sign that says Burton 8 miles at the turn off.
2 miles down Happy Hollow Rd. is the camp on the left.

I would like to emphasize that this is going to be a fun campout.    The only
disclaimer to that, is that I am the sole organizer of everything, so there
is a good chance a few things won't go smoothly, especially Friday night.

I would like to encourage you all to find the time to at least show up for a few
minutes to see what all the hoopla is about.    My goal is still to do this
better in the spring of 2011.

David Locklear

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I always liked the explanation given to me for low grotto dues, or no dues
for that matter. One was that the avoidance of creating a fund also avoids
the political arguments over the disposition of that fund. The real mission
of the grotto is simply to exist and have meetings to socialize, spread
information, and stay connected as a community. To further that end a phone
list is kept, and that's worth paying for.

All other pursuits are best conceived, paid for, and carried out by
individuals and/or groups as they see fit.

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