"Recent statistics show that most bite victims are men between the ages of
twenty and forty, and that most bites are on hands and feet. Alcohol is
typically involved in behavior leading to a bite and the victim is commonly
attempting to impress friends when the bite occurs."
Now, add a gun to the mix and you have some REAL fun!
AGG
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, wesley s <mudmal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: wesley s <mudmal...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] cave guns
To: kat...@yahoo.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 9:32 AM
I always cave with a few flash bangs and a concussion grenade. Those snakes
don't know what hit em! Makes quick work or constrictions too.
Wes~
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:45:12 -0800
From: kat...@yahoo.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] cave guns
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Though not a surprise to anyone who knows me. I definitely would not have a
problem with someone carrying a gun with them to a cave. Would I? Probably not
mainly from a logistical problem.
I don't think as many cavers as you think have problems with guns. I mean just
this weekend at See my shovel I brought out a small arsenal of weapons( of
course with the land owners blessing) and most of the cavers there had a
blast(pun intended) with them. It was a nice after caving, pre-campfire,
activity.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people using guns, knives, cars, and
airplanes.
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
From: David <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
To: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 12:14:17 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] cave guns
Starting Monday, you will be able to take your caving guns inside
almost all federally
owned caves. The exceptions are the tour caves.
You will need to have a concealed permit and make sure that the state
you are caving in
accepts your state's permit, or you will have to apply for a permit in
that state.
So what size gun do you pack?
A 60 caliber hand-gun would be too big for most caving packs.
A 50 caliber ought to do the trick:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9nu4csc5kbA/0.jpg
I hope you can sense that I am mocking this new regulation.
So let's say you in a caving group hiking to Madonna Cave and you are
all packing heat.
You get to the cave, suit up, and then what? Do you all leave your
guns in the entrance?
What if you come out of the cave to find some shady characters holding
your guns at you?
So I guess you take the guns in far enough so that that does not happen.
Can anybody think of a reason other than snakes to carry a gun on a
hike to a federally owned cave? A bear ? A mountain lion ? A
wolf or coyote? A fugitive hiding in a cave?
I think the ammunition should be carried in a separate compartment of
the back-pack, and the gun should be in a Pelican case.
I think the chances are more likely that more people are going to be
accidentally shot ( and probably kids ), than the guns being used to
defend in a situation.
I don't think cavers should carry guns on their hike to a
"federally-owned" cave.
But if some caver chose to do so, would he or she be, disrespected?
I would encourage any caver with me that wanted to carry a gun on the
hike, to leave it at the car and locked up. ( This is all
theoretical, as I would have to be going caving! )
If he said no, then I would tell him I am not going caving. If that
failed, then I would want to make sure the gun was hidden beyond the
twilight zone, under a rock, and covered with dirt.
I see no reason to take a gun on a short hike, like Cottonwood Cave,
or Hidden Cave? Those are BLM caves though, and all National Forest
lands have had an "open carry," policy for some time. Right?
Has that policy ever produced a gun related issue with a cave trip?
David Locklear
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