For the record, I like TSA, too, which is why I've maintained my TSA membership ever since moving to Texas about 25 years ago. I, too, think that Mark has been doing a great job as editor, and I much appreciate the dedicated work that he and other TSA volunteers have been doing. Nor do I blame TSA for the small amount of spam that occasionally slips through the filters into my email account. (How could I blame TSA for that when they don't even have my email address? ;-) )
I still am not confident, however, that TSA can be trusted to handle our email addresses responsibly. Look at Jerry's observation that TSA already has placed an online listing of its electronically registered members on its password protected website. Then look at Gill's recent proposal to make online access to the Texas Caver free for nonmembers. Neither of these things necessarily involves an irresponsible release of TSA members' email addresses when considered separately (although I still would rather not have my email address on even a members-only password protected online list). When both of these things are considered together, however, along with all the other turmoil about TSA digital publication policies, it is easy to imagine how people might provide their email addresses to TSA assuming one seemingly responsible privacy policy, only to discover later that TSA has changed its mind and has made the email address list more widely accessible than people had expected when they provided their addresses. I chose to "throw this stone into the hornets nest," because I wanted people to actually start thinking about the issue, instead of just telling us "don't worry, be happy." The problem would be easy to fix if TSA simply would make a commitment to its members that no member's email address will be included in any online list unless that member explicitly "opts in" for inclusion in the list. TSA members need to be able to register for website access without having their email addresses published in an online list. Rod -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Bentley <ca...@caver.net> >Sent: Dec 14, 2009 11:17 AM >To: John Brooks <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> >Cc: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can TSA be trusted with email addresses? > >For the record Mark, I wasn't blaming nor condeming the TSA, I was just >stating the fact that I get hundreds of thousands of spam emails. >Mark, I like the TSA and I think I get my moneys worth from volunteers who >are very much appreciated. > >Bill >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Brooks" <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> >To: "Bill Bentley" <ca...@caver.net> >Cc: "Rod Goke" <rod.g...@ieee.org>; "TexasCavers" ><texascavers@texascavers.com>; "Rod Goke" <rod.g...@ieee.org> >Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:24 AM >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can TSA be trusted with email addresses? > > >> The TSA has my e mail.....and I get....oh maybe one or two junk mail >> messages per WEEK. >> Paranoia runs deep concerning e mail spam. But unjustly condemning the TSA >> for something they are not doing or really at fault for......hardly seems >> fair or reasonable. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2009, at 6:37 AM, "Bill Bentley" <ca...@caver.net> wrote: >> >> Rod, >> My ca...@caver.net email address gets a spam email message every 2 to 3 >> seconds... literally thousands per hour... all of it goes into a spam >> folder and good spam sorting software on the email server helps me figure >> what is crap and what is not... End of the day I am deleting a lot of >> spam... If someone were to go after the companies who are advertisng the >> drugs, diplomas and sex services then it mifght help curb it. I feel that >> a complete overhaul of how email works wouold be the answer, since you can >> currently send from and have the reply to address be different. A lot of >> the spam I gets looks as if it is coming to me from me... but buried in >> the header I find that it comes from Korea or China... >> >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Goke" <rod.g...@earthlink.net> >> To: "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> >> Cc: "Rod Goke" <rod.g...@ieee.org> >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:04 AM >> Subject: [Texascavers] Can TSA be trusted with email addresses? >> >> >> All this talk about electronic vs. paper publication of the Texas Caver >> reminds me of a related issue: >> >> Is it safe to give your email address to TSA? >> >> For years TSA has been asking for our email addresses on the membership >> renewal forms, and I have been refusing to give them mine. During this >> same period, however, I have been providing my email address (along with >> mailing address and phone numbers) to the UT Grotto for publication in >> their "UT Grotto Phone List". Why is it that I have felt that my email >> address was sufficiently safe with the UT Grotto but not with TSA? The >> answer is that the "UT Grotto Phone List" is published only in paper form, >> where email addresses and other personal information is not likely to be >> harvested by spammers, telemarketers, search engines, etc. >> >> I don't have that kind of confidence in TSA, however, because for years, >> I've heard various people within TSA advocating expanded use of digital >> publication without adequately considering the negative consequences of >> what they are advocating. Most disturbing has been the proposal I've heard >> from time to time that TSA publish its membership list information >> electronically, perhaps by placing it on a web site. This might be cheap >> and convenient for TSA to implement and for TSA members to use, but it >> also could make our personal information much more vulnerable to automated >> harvesting by those who would use it in ways we never intended. Once our >> email addresses, cell phone numbers, etc. have been harvested from a >> digitally published list, there would be no cheap and convenient way to >> undo the damage. How can we be confident that the continuing push towards >> digital publication within TSA will not lead to ill considered digital >> publication of email addresses >> and other information vulnerable to automated harvesting? >> >> Rod >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
