Most of the people commenting about the total length of Caverns of Sonora haven't much of a clue what they are talking about. There are lots of little crevices, tiny cracks, and levels upon levels throughout the cave. If you surveyed all those, it might double the total "surveyed length" of the cave as we know it now. Will this happen? Not likely.
Through the years there have been a number of survey activities at this cave. At least half of them were ultimately discarded as useless. The Jack Burch transit survey of the commercial route through the cave and then overland to connect the two entrances has been the backbone of all subsequent efforts. It closes quite well if not perfectly (years ago, I ran the numbers from his field notes). One of the problems is that a survey of the cave, done well, is extremely tedious --- something on the order of 10-20 feet per hour. The cave is very fragile and each move needs to be thoughtfully done. Look at the map on page 408 of your 50 YEARS book. That's a small portion in the middle of one of the more complex areas and it took three fairly long trips to gather that much survey data. And drafting an intelligible map is another story. This is sketched and drafted at a scale that I would consider the bare minimum to show the features of the cave. Digital drafting opens other doors that might be successful. It's not so much that the owners aren't interested in a high grade survey of the cave as the fact that there aren't many people with the skills and dedication to complete such a project. I thought that I might make this happen back in the late 1960s and, with the blessing and cooperation of Jack Burch, we made a start. Then, there was a change of heart among the majority owners and the survey was suspended and never resumed. This cave is TOTALLY unsuited to be a "TSA Project." That would be a disaster! As George Veni has pointed out in another e-mail, he has received special permission to do a highly detailed survey along the commercial route. That's wonderful and I do hope that he finds time to complete that project but that still leaves a lot of cave away from the tour trails and much of it is not only difficult to travel but is multi-level and extremely fragile. On page 412 of 50 YEARS, I commented thusly: "You might think that Caverns of Sonora would be among the best, most professionally mapped caves in Texas. You would be wrong. There are somewhat better maps available than the silhouette version presented here, but the sad truth is that no comprehensive "class A" map exists. There is an excellent transit survey making a loop that goes in the historic entrance, along the commercial trail, out the man-made exit tunnel, and back to the entrance, but there is no "caver" map in the usual sense of that word. Will it happen someday? Perhaps, but it will not be soon. It will require a massive effort to compile the necessary data and a cartography genius to interpret that data so that it makes sense in two dimensions. That would be daunting enough in a cave that offered free access, but such is certainly not the case here. Access to the cave has been extremely limited for the past 40 years. Moreover, survey progress will necessarily be quite slow not just because of the great amount of detail required but because of the care required to move about without doing damage to the cave. Through the years, many enthusiasts have begun surveys only to be thwarted for one reason or another. Take a tour through the cave sometime and pay special attention to the many interconnected levels and overall complex nature of the cave. I think you will be intimidated." Meanwhile back to the 4th survey of our favorite: Powell's Cave. Will your grandchildren see a completed map? ===Carl Kunath -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Palit To: 'Mark Minton' ; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:27 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly As I understand it the owners have never allowed and are not interested in a full survey -- worry about damage. ===Palit As for there being 7 miles in Sonora, I doubt it, but if true why hasn't anyone started a serious resurvey project? Could make a great TSA activity. ==Minton