texascavers Digest 14 Jul 2009 20:31:59 -0000 Issue 798
Topics (messages 11324 through 11340):
After ICS - goods for sale
11324 by: Jon
Re: Kerrville weather and drought
11325 by: Lyndon Tiu
Cabin at Kerrville Pk
11326 by: bcow911.satx.rr.com
11331 by: Fritz Holt
volunteers
11327 by: Nancy Weaver
11328 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
I'd like to help with ICS - what next
11329 by: Nancy Weaver
I'd like to help....
11330 by: Gill Edigar
11332 by: Mallory Mayeux
11334 by: Geary Schindel
11337 by: Mallory Mayeux
11338 by: Lyndon Tiu
Re: 15th ICS � History, Kerrville, and speleology
11333 by: Mixon Bill
Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS
11335 by: Rick Corbell
Guadalupe River Conditions
11336 by: Robert B
A Public Service Announcement
11339 by: wesley s
11340 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
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Hi folks,
I hope some of you are in need of some items after the ICS has ended.
We will have:
Around 60 sheets of 3/8-inch OSB that was used inside not outside, with only a
few screw holes in it,
30 or so nice 2x4s, stud length and up,
Several hundred feet of orange construction site safety fence,
Several hundred feet of 1/4-inch poly rope, blue and yellow.
MAYBE, some very well made A-frame type art stands
AND MORE!!!
The entire list will be posted on the main bulletin board in the student center
close to registration.
If you should want to buy any of this, OR MORE, and there by help defray the
cost of this convention, please bring your money and something to haul it away
in.
Please pass this on to other list serve types.
Come and be seen in Kerrville!
Jon Cradit
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Gives me an excuse to stay in the cave longer. Let's just stay in the cave the
whole time.
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:45:21 -0500 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
> According to Kerrville's 10 day weather forecast:
>
> The temperature does not hit triple-digits during ICS. Also, some
> rain is possible
> on the 22nd.
>
> http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USTX0689?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared
>
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Lyndon Tiu
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First come first serve contact me I have another a/c cabin available at the
kerrville pk . Two bunk beds ,table chairs additional camp site. Entire unit
no more than 8 to a campsite. Tent or small camper on site. site for camper has
electric for lights only not an a/c( not enough amps). Contact me for details.
Bob Cowell cell 210-724-9365 hp 210-662-9171
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Bob,
I am a volunteer to drive/assist on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and possibly
Wednesday. Any chance of sharing the cabin/room with someone?
Fritz Holt, Houston
1-800-375-4679
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Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:32 AM
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Subject: [Texascavers] Cabin at Kerrville Pk
First come first serve contact me I have another a/c cabin available at the
kerrville pk . Two bunk beds ,table chairs additional camp site. Entire unit
no more than 8 to a campsite. Tent or small camper on site. site for camper has
electric for lights only not an a/c( not enough amps). Contact me for details.
Bob Cowell cell 210-724-9365 hp 210-662-9171
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Good Grief - how about if everybody took the time they spend talking
about volunteering and just complete a volunteer task?
and for those of you who have lots of suggestions about improvements
- how about if YOU get them cleared with the appropriate coordiantor
and make those improvements?
feel free to email me and I'll put you in touch with a way to use all
this excess time and energy!
Nancy
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Nancy Weaver
Volunteer Co-ordinator ICS
nan...@io.com
512.847.7422
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How many cavers does it take to________?
Does Ediger have an answer?
Good Grief - how about if everybody took the time they spend talking
about volunteering and just complete a volunteer task?
and for those of you who have lots of suggestions about improvements
- how about if YOU get them cleared with the appropriate coordiantor
and make those improvements?
feel free to email me and I'll put you in touch with a way to use all
this excess time and energy!
Nancy
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Nancy Weaver
Volunteer Co-ordinator ICS
nan...@io.com
512.847.7422
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Hey Nancy,
I will be coming in on Saturday and Sunday to help. Who do I talk to
and what do I do?
We will (hopefully) have an up to date list of volunteer needs at
INFO each day, and get folks who wish to help connected with a task
that they are interested in. Also I'm certain that any given
coordinator would be happy for you to contact them directly.
thanks for the response
Nancy
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It hasn't been mentioned yet but as a former organizer I've found that some
people help best by just staying the hell outa the way. They should be
thanked, as well.
--Ediger
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WOW. Thanks for inspiring everyone to take off work to volunteer this
coming week. I'm sure the current organizers really appreciate the
sentiment. *sarcasm*
Mallory
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net> wrote:
> It hasn't been mentioned yet but as a former organizer I've found that some
> people help best by just staying the hell outa the way. They should be
> thanked, as well.
> --Ediger
>
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We'll, I actually found Gil's post pretty funny. If I'm part of the folks that
can make a difference, than great. If I'm part of the group that gets in the
way, than it annoys Gil and that's even better.
A little comic relief is always appreciated.
Geary
From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:04 PM
To: Gill Edigar
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] I'd like to help....
WOW. Thanks for inspiring everyone to take off work to volunteer this coming
week. I'm sure the current organizers really appreciate the sentiment. *sarcasm*
Mallory
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gill Edigar
<gi...@att.net<mailto:gi...@att.net>> wrote:
It hasn't been mentioned yet but as a former organizer I've found that some
people help best by just staying the hell outa the way. They should be thanked,
as well.
--Ediger
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Poor Gill! I really don't mean to snap down your throat. Using my feeble
powers of observation I detect a little tension surrounding the entire topic
of ICS, so I read this email and automatically assumed the worst...EVERYONE
helping out with ICS is INCREDIBLE and I'd knife-fight anyone to the death
that would detract from their efforts....
that being said, I don't want to knife-fight someone who is trying to make
me laugh! So my apologies for being pricky...well, plus, I guess I didn't
see the point, even in jest...b/c anyone who is in the way isn't paying
attention to your emails anyway! They might even be over in Kerrville...IN
THE WAY! :)
Mal
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Geary Schindel <
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:
> We’ll, I actually found Gil’s post pretty funny. If I’m part of the
> folks that can make a difference, than great. If I’m part of the group that
> gets in the way, than it annoys Gil and that’s even better.
>
>
>
> A little comic relief is always appreciated.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
> *From:* Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:04 PM
> *To:* Gill Edigar
> *Cc:* Texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] I'd like to help....
>
>
>
> WOW. Thanks for inspiring everyone to take off work to volunteer this
> coming week. I'm sure the current organizers really appreciate the
> sentiment. *sarcasm*
>
> Mallory
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net> wrote:
>
> It hasn't been mentioned yet but as a former organizer I've found that some
> people help best by just staying the hell outa the way. They should be
> thanked, as well.
>
>
>
> --Ediger
>
>
>
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:05:16 -0500 mmay...@gmail.com wrote:
> ...EVERYONE helping out with ICS is INCREDIBLE and I'd knife-fight anyone
> to the death that would detract from their efforts....
>
We are nowhere near that.
We need van drivers for cave trips.
We need van drivers for the hotel shuttles.
we need van drivers for the airport shuttles.
We need van drivers for the evening events.
--
Lyndon Tiu
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Forwarded by Mixon
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From: ICS 2009 eList <secret...@ics2009.us>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: July 14, 2009 11:34:36 AM CDT
To: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
Subject: 15th ICS – History, Kerrville, and speleology
Dear Friends,
This message may be my last to you before the 15th International
Congress of Speleology (ICS) begins this weekend in Kerrville, Texas.
I expect the ICS will be historic, so this message is about a little
history on Kerrville and how it relates to speleology now posted at: http://www.ics2009.us/kerr.html
.
Also, remember that Schreiner University will not be open to the ICS
until the 16th, that you are welcome to arrive on the 16th and 17th if
you come to help us prepare the campus, otherwise please do not come
until registration begins this Saturday morning the 18th. The ICS
starts on Sunday!
George
P.S.: I am now in Kerrville working with other members of the
Organizing Committee to prepare the site for you. The above message
was prepared earlier. If you try to reach me or others on the
committee between now and the ICS, please remember that we will be
traveling, working, and may be slow or unable to respond.
George Veni, Ph.D.
Chairman, 15th International Congress of Speleology
Adjunct Secretary, International Union of Speleology
Executive Director, U.S. National Cave and Karst Research Institute
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Dear cavers and fellow speleologists,
I am looking for a Dell 2400MP as back-up for some important ICS presentations.
If you are driving and it would be convenient, please bring your Dell or any
other brand projector. We just can't have enough insurance.
Laptops with current USB connectivity and the ability to open Powerpoint and
other likely programs are also welcomed.
While I'm at it, if you have an extra 25 + foot extension cord and multi tap
surge protector or power strip that you can bring, please do so.
I have secure storage!!!
Be sure to boldly label whatever you bring. I guess that applies to everything
you bring to Kerrville, not just A/V stuff. We don't want lost and found to
get too full!!
Feel free to let me know what you are planning to bring.
Here's thanking in advance, George, Bill and Forrest for what they are bringing.
Rick Corbell- 15th ICS A/V coordinator - rlcorb...@hotmail.com
--cell-210-313-6084
p.s. My name and phone number will be posted by every projector but, I am
looking for a couple of folks to walk session rooms each morning and after the
lunch break to check for A/V issues. So, if you know you are going to be in
one of the buildings regularly and can do this, it would save lots of footsteps
for the A/V crew.
Please post this to other list-serves-thanks RC
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For what its worth, here are some links to river conditions along the
Guadalupe. I also threw in a link for the
Llano.<http://www.ugra.org/pdfs/Website%20Swimability%202009.pdf>
flow rate for South Llano as it goes into Junction
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/tx/nwis/uv/?site_no=08150000&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060
Flow rate Guadalupe at Comfort
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/tx/nwis/uv/?site_no=08167000&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060
If you find a usgs flow rate link to a spot along the river closer to
Kerrville, please post.
Is there any noticeable flow at the swimming hole closest to the camping
area. maybe some folks working this past weekend can reply
Swimmability Study by the Upper Guadalupe River Authority Environmental
Laboratory. Mostly regarding E-Coli. Having swam/swum in some of the
grossest stock tanks in texas, I would not be too worried about drain bamage
http://www.ugra.org/swimability.html
http://www.ugra.org/pdfs/Website%20Swimability%202009.pdf
Can somebody explain why the counts are so different. I would thing they
would be closer. the distance from collection points are not tthat far
apart.
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Public Service Announcement
Warning: if you have recently purchased a ticket to a convention in Kerrville
Texas, are a Texas caver, hang out with Texas cavers or are friends with a
Texas caver you may have contracted "Irritable Caver Syndrome" They
symptoms include snappiness, headaches, a feeling of being overwhelmed,
selfless laboring, complaining about the heat, manic disinfection of caving
gear,
and in extreme cases suicidal thoughts (hang in there Joe).
There is no known treatment or cure for I.C.S. There are ongoing clinical
trials being conducted to see if alcohol is effective against I.C.S., though
the treatment is at least a five years away from FDA approval. Some Cavers have
vaccinated themselves for I.C.S. using isolation and a radical holistic
treatment known as "turning your computer off". This treatment is
untested and is not recommended as reports have indicated there are extremely
detrimental
and painful withdrawal syndromes. Speculation has been made that death could
even occur in at least one case (achem, David).
Scientists who have been tracking the spread of I.C.S. have concluded that
it will simply run its course given enough time. They estimate that most cases
of I.C.S. will have recovered by July 26 though some sufferers may experience
the effects longer and in some cases permanent damage may result. They recommend
staying hydrated and resting as often as possible in between driving, trip
leading and manning security. Avoid touching other cavers especially around the
mouth as they may bite unexpectedly.
Be prepared in case you get sick and need to stay home for a week or so; a
supply of over-the-counter medicines, alcohol-based drinks, tissues and other
related items might be useful and help avoid the need to make trips out in
public while you are sick and contagious. Employees who are well but who have
an ill family member at home with I.C.S. can go to work as usual. These
employees should monitor their health every day, and take everyday precautions
including yoga, meditation and massage to relieve vicarious stress.
Alcohol-based drinks are also effective. If they become ill, they should notify
their supervisor and stay home. Employees who have an underlying medical
condition
or who are pregnant should call their health care provider for advice.
Federal, state, and local community planners are working together to ensure
that I.C.S. treatments are developed and will be delivered to the affected area
as soon as possible. Many cities, states, and territories have already received
I.C.S. supplies. After N.S.S. sends medicine to a state or city, control and
distribution of the supply is at the discretion of that state or local grotto.
Most states and cities also have their own medicines that they can access to
treat infected persons.
*Note: Much of the information in this document is based on studies and
past experience with seasonal events like TSA conventions. NSS believes
the information applies to Irritable Caver Syndrom as well, but studies on this
epidemic are ongoing to learn more about its characteristics. This document
will be updated as new information becomes available.
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LOL!
Great post and "diagnosis", Dr. Wes!
Mark
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From: wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tue 7/14/2009 3:22 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement
Public Service Announcement
Warning: if you have recently purchased a ticket to a convention in Kerrville
Texas, are a Texas caver, hang out with Texas cavers or are friends with a
Texas caver you may have contracted "Irritable Caver Syndrome" They symptoms
include snappiness, headaches, a feeling of being overwhelmed, selfless
laboring, complaining about the heat, manic disinfection of caving gear, and in
extreme cases suicidal thoughts (hang in there Joe).
There is no known treatment or cure for I.C.S. There are ongoing clinical
trials being conducted to see if alcohol is effective against I.C.S., though
the treatment is at least a five years away from FDA approval. Some Cavers have
vaccinated themselves for I.C.S. using isolation and a radical holistic
treatment known as "turning your computer off". This treatment is untested and
is not recommended as reports have indicated there are extremely detrimental
and painful withdrawal syndromes. Speculation has been made that death could
even occur in at least one case (achem, David).
Scientists who have been tracking the spread of I.C.S. have concluded that it
will simply run its course given enough time. They estimate that most cases of
I.C.S. will have recovered by July 26 though some sufferers may experience the
effects longer and in some cases permanent damage may result. They recommend
staying hydrated and resting as often as possible in between driving, trip
leading and manning security. Avoid touching other cavers especially around the
mouth as they may bite unexpectedly.
Be prepared in case you get sick and need to stay home for a week or so; a
supply of over-the-counter medicines, alcohol-based drinks, tissues and other
related items might be useful and help avoid the need to make trips out in
public while you are sick and contagious. Employees who are well but who have
an ill family member at home with I.C.S. can go to work as usual. These
employees should monitor their health every day, and take everyday precautions
including yoga, meditation and massage to relieve vicarious stress.
Alcohol-based drinks are also effective. If they become ill, they should notify
their supervisor and stay home. Employees who have an underlying medical
condition or who are pregnant should call their health care provider for
advice.
Federal, state, and local community planners are working together to ensure
that I.C.S. treatments are developed and will be delivered to the affected area
as soon as possible. Many cities, states, and territories have already received
I.C.S. supplies. After N.S.S. sends medicine to a state or city, control and
distribution of the supply is at the discretion of that state or local grotto.
Most states and cities also have their own medicines that they can access to
treat infected persons.
*Note: Much of the information in this document is based on studies and past
experience with seasonal events like TSA conventions. NSS believes the
information applies to Irritable Caver Syndrom as well, but studies on this
epidemic are ongoing to learn more about its characteristics. This document
will be updated as new information becomes available.
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