Wavy, My skin is thick but I didn't take it personally anyway. None of us feel that we are the culprit. Fritz
________________________________ From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices Sorry for name calling, but... Big time consumption has been egging on the "S & D" equation for a long time now. The fact that the most recent hyper-spike in price has only curbed consumption marginally just goes to show how lucky we've been so far.... (In other words, I feel like its fortunate that it hasnt been like this for years instead of months). I too remember what it was like when SUPPLY was down - based on the Arab oil Embargo - odd thing back then I seem to recall very little price gouging - but the worldwide price of crude didn't go over $20 even when there was a shortage of it. But yeah - that was a much "larger dollar". What we are experiencing now are the first bands of thunderstorms generated by a MF of a hurricane. The fact that fuel consumption efficiency has steadily DECREASED since 1987 with our testosterone-driven 'gotta have more power and size' consumerism has advanced our progress toward the brink. Consumerism isn't the reason the brink exists. Escalades and Hummers aren't the reason we're running out of petroleum resources, they are why we are running out sooner than we should have. -WaV On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com<mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com>> wrote: Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford Exploder that only gets 20 MPG highway. As has been mentioned, a big part of the problem is S & D. With China, India and Russia demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can't keep up. I feel a little pain but I am with Philip in that I am just glad that I can buy the gas. It was about 1974 or 75 when it was so scarce that I had to know a local official in Hondo to be able to buy gas there for a caving trip further west. I don't have the solution but I still believe that it is in the best interest of all US citizens that congress open all accessible areas to environmentally safe drilling. Happy Motoring, as one of the major oil companies used to advertise. Fritz ________________________________ From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com<mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com>] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:43 AM To: Philip L Moss Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices No - but I would give my left nut to go back to the days that gas was 1.05 a gallon, when I was making only $19.00 an hour with excellent health benefits and rent, including paid utilities were only $500 a month. Basically, you can blame a lot of the current energy situation, worldwide, on assholes who feel like they are ENTITLED to drive 350hp giant SUVs everyday everywhere for anything. -WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Philip L Moss <philipm...@juno.com<mailto:philipm...@juno.com>> wrote: Do you want your income to revert to what it was when gas was $0.699/gal. also? Personally, I find it less painful to fill up today than I did in the mid-1970s. BTW - gas prices in some places in the US in 1906 was $1.06/gallon. Inflation calculators say that is equivalent to over $25/gal. in 2008 dollars. 1906 was the first year anyone drove from coast to coast in the US and it the trip cost about $8,000 in 1906 dollars (fuel, food, maintenance, and a mechanic's salary for the trip). There is a movie called "Horatio's Drive" about the trip. Energy prices have been high before, just not much in living memory. BTW - we do have subsidized gas prices in the US. There are numerous tax breaks specifically for oil companies, their waste is never treated as expensively as the same waste from other industries, and I don't believe that the American people are getting fair market royalties for oil produced from public lands. Philip L. Moss philipm...@juno.com<mailto:philipm...@juno.com> Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com<mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com>> writes: >snip< Yipes! I remember when I thought I was being ripped off at $0.699/gal. Gimme back those days!!! ____________________________________________________________ Paralegal Scholarship - Click Now!<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/Ioyw6i3oICiLm0XB7pSJ1wnWLbfX3gH3ezJkfg41qRSLq5GGirl2WL/>
