Thank you Mark, the outpouring of thanks I've received today was very nice.
Speaking of the TexasCaver and a thankless job of the editor, great job on the newsletters, I enjoy them immensely and need to renew my membership. I'll ask on here, because I know its been a touchy subject on the main list before, but why in hell do we not go to an electronic format? That would save you a lot of time, printing and mailing them, and we would get full color magazines. This is after all 2008 and printed material only costs more money and time. Would a boycott be in order to get some older, hard-headed people to embrace the technology of today? Charles, grandmaster of soap-boxing today On 1/15/08, mark.al...@l-3com.com <mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote: > > I wholeheartedly agree with your first sentence, Charles. > > In all of my years of being involved with Scouting, soccer, softball, > caving, and other volunteer activities, there's never a shortage of critics. > > A shortage of doers/volunteers? Always, but never a shortage of folks > criticizing how you do something. > > Creating the "On Topic" and "Off Topic" list was brilliant. > > Let everyone else "self moderate" by hitting the delete key. > > You're doing a superb, yet, thankless job and we all appreciate you for > providing this service. > > Criticism is all too common, but, "pats on the back" are, often times, too > infrequent. > > Much like being the *TEXAS CAVER* editor! 8^)> > > > (A smirking) Mark > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > *Sent:* Tue 1/15/2008 12:52 PM > *To:* Kara Savvas > *Cc:* Johnson, Russ (ATX); imoca...@comcast.net; Scott Nicholson; > o...@texascavers.com > *Subject:* Re: [ot_caving] [OT] Re: anyone else here yet? > > There are always people who complain, that want change, and most aren't > willing to help with it. I probably went off on Wes a bit hard, but it > struck a nerve and I'm having a bad year so far, so I vented a bit. He > deserved it, but probably not as harsh as I did it. > > Splitting the list is probably an easy way out, shutting up the > complainers, but I'm hoping that it will actually drive more people to our > Texas caving chatter here on either of the lists, making us grow more. > Growing these lists also helps out our Grotto's and Regional groups (TCMA, > TSA, TCC, etc). > > If people have ideas that will help us grow as a community, I'm game and > will assist where I can. > Charles > > On 1/15/08, Kara Savvas < misskarabi...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > I don't need consoling! :-) I'm doing just fine. I'll ask again, why > > aren't people saying this on Texascavers? > > > > I respect some of the objectors very much, too, but wish they would get > > over themselves for a minute. I don't think the uglyness came from any > > particular subject, it came from a FEW INDIVIDUALS. I considered a Poll, but > > I think that would be beat back considerably. But I also think there are > > more pro-OT people on Texascavers than not. > > > > This is the bottom line for me - I think there is a kind of an arrogant > > move to try to 'get rid' of high volume posters that some don't find to be > > "serious" enough about caving. And that bothers me. > > > > With a little perspective, its is just all so silly. But I say, give > > Cavetex what it asks for, and maybe they will come around? Or not. But the > > experiment is worthwhile. > > > > > > k > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "Johnson, Russ (ATX)" < russ.k.john...@westonsolutions.com> > > To: imoca...@comcast.net; misskarabi...@yahoo.com; Scott Nicholson < > > csnichol...@sbcglobal.net> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:55:50 AM > > Subject: FW: [ot_caving] [OT] Re: anyone else here yet? > > > > Alex and Kara, Fear not, cavetex will be back. > > > > I am hopeful that OT-tex will be abandoned in time. No plans for me to > > subscribe. The public beat-downs on OT postings happen periodically. I > > have a lot of respect some of those who have complained, and their right to > > express themselves. And I appreciate fully the modern torture of having to > > wade through more email than any one mind should have to endure. It is > > healthy and appropriate for this complaint to arise every so often, > > especially if things get ugly as they recently have. > > > > OT postings will get quiet and remain so for a bit. Then they will > > resume a tolerable normal background noise level...as it should be. Then > > one day someone will get under another's saddle and this will all repeat. > > This cycle has repeated several times since the days of the primordial > > Cavetex list, it is natural. > > > > However, for the reasons Alex so eloquently expresses below, the > > curmudgeons should not be allowed to run the rest of us off. It is our list > > too. Frankly, those interested in (or at least willing to delete) the OT > > postings outweigh the ones complaining. So I encourage everyone to let > > OT-tex die on the vine, not the real caver email server. > > > > I surely thought I had heard enough on the evolution-religion thread ... > > but just then someone posts an interesting and thoughtful statement that > > causes everyone to pause. I wouldn't miss it. Everyone would lose if > > we lost the postings on S. Texas railways, the Rio Bravo, and twisty > > tobacco, pig and chicken-operated one-holers and other brick shithouses, > > Terlingua goats, ...I could go on. > > > > Please feel free to forward this to OT-Tex. > > > > Russ > > Llano, TX > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Scott Nicholson [mailto:csnichol...@sbcglobal.net] > > *Sent: *Monday, January 14, 2008 11:09 PM > > *To:* Johnson, Russ (ATX) > > *Subject:* Fw: [ot_caving] [OT] Re: anyone else here yet? > > > > you should forward this to cavetex. > > > > *Scott Nicholson* > > *Broker/Waterboy* > > *The Discovery Team* > > *(512) 94-SCOTT {947-2688}* > > *Keller Williams Realty* > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > From: Alex Sproul < > > > To: o...@texascavers.com > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:26:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [ot_caving] [OT] Re: anyone else here yet? > > > > Absolutely! > > > > Kara, you are clearly feeling a lot better! Glad to see it! > > > > I agree that this splitting of the list is silly and divisive and doomed > > to failure, but in the meantime, I don't want to miss any of the juicy bits! > > > > > > In case any of you Tejanos haven't noticed (I started to say 'have your > > heads so far up, you can't see' but that wouldn't be PC...), you have THE > > largest, busiest, most vibrant and entertaining caver mail-list in the > > country. You know it's good if the internationally renowned Sr. Sleaze > > Weasel has joined up and become a regular contributor. (And what, pray > > tell, could be more OT than *that*??) > > > > I very much look forward to my daily dose, I mean digest, of Texas > > tripe, all the way up here in VA. I'm a member of every caver list I know > > of, and texascavers is my fave. Why? Because it's always so full of > > irreverent humor, witticisms, strange factoids, and tall tales from the > > likes of Gil 'Oztotl' Ediger, Sleaze, and the DirtDoc, not to mention > > SpeleoSteele, WaV, and others, and certainly to mention the inimitable David > > Locklear. > > > > Sure, all the lists have a Rule Numero Uno that says all posts have to > > be caving related. Some of them actually enforce that. The VAR list has > > ONLY posts directly related to caving, and I get one, maybe two digests a > > week, each with one message in them. Bo-ring! TAG-Net is always extolling > > the virtues of it's 5,000-word trip reports, which put me straight to > > sleep. Bo- ring!! And they have actually excommunicating cavers for not > > playing by the rules! I love TAG, and I love Texas, but I don't cave there > > very often, so mostly I scroll past the cave talk, looking for the > > interesting stuff. I think Rule Numero Uno was misprinted -- it meant to > > say '"caver-related"... After all, cavers are all one big happy family, and > > we all care about each other, and what each other are doing and thinking. > > All that stuff should be fair game on the list, so long as everybody uses a > > modicum of common sense and tact. > > > > Oh well, I guess we're now off to see who has more fun, the list with > > the latest trip to Airmans, or the list with tales by Sleaze and Gil and > > Locklear, and other interesting stuff thought of/up/about BY cavers, and > > therefore inherently cave(r) related. > > > > Alex > > > > -- > > *Alex Sproul, NSS 8086* > > *NSS IT Committee* > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, > > e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: > > ot-h...@texascavers.com > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and attachments may contain information > > which is confidential and proprietary. 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