“Be a little more tolerant and teach tolerance except of people who are not tolerant of immigrants (you are one), children who can’t read or write and those who pollute and misuse natural resources.”
As a person who generally supports progressive policies and loathes the current administration I take great umbrage at reactionary liberals, often referred to as the “regressive totalitarian left”, who insist that just because I am in favor of basic fairness and environmental protection I must necessarily buy the whole politically correct sack of shit which includes so called “human rights” such as open borders, acceptance of perverse public behaviors, and the “equality” of those who are clearly not equal despite the fact that they have opposable thumbs and walk upright. Do not expect me to show equal respect to people who repeatedly commit stupid crimes, speak ebonics, and cannot read or write despite being given every opportunity to improve themselves. The failure of those on the left to deal with reality is why our nation is currently ruled (not run!) by a “Tangerine Wank Maggot” (From a sign seen at a recent demonstration in London). I am aware that we are a nation of immigrants, and personally hold the Mexican people in high regard, but it does not follow that I want our nation to be flooded with uneducated economic migrants from cultures with high birthrates. For the last several decades most of the population growth in our county has been due to immigration and children born to immigrants. Whether they arrived here legally or illegally is irrelevant to me, I only care about the fact that these otherwise innocent people occupy space, eat, shit, and most importantly breed. It is most unfortunate that the world has become so overcrowded that issues such as human rights and immigration must be approached on a practical rather than a moral basis, but so it is. Sleazel From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> On Behalf Of Misc Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:05 PM To: Linda Starr <lstarr...@gmail.com> Cc: Steve Peerman <gypca...@comcast.net>; texascavers@texascavers.com; swrcav...@googlegroups.com; Sandia Grotto <sandia-grotto-of-the-national-speleological-soci...@googlegroups.com>; Allen Wright <siz...@hotmail.com>; Lee Skinner <skin...@thuntek.net> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Sandia Grotto]: Re: [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam? Linda, You make this too easy. We all are tolerant, even when folk break the law; federal or local (the U.S. is very compassionate towards felons, allowing sentence reduction, paroles, etc. Just review how we handled the living aggressors of 911, and the continued killings by the illegal deported aliens that return here). Illegal aliens have broken the federal law (crossed our international border without our permission) and therefore are felons. That makes them illegal and targeted for deportation. The U.S. has a legal immigration policy and practice. (In my opinion, it needs to be tightened, allowing fewer immigrants for the next decade or so). *Let any desirable immigrant get in line and submit their request through that system.* It's there for a reason - but not to be abused or bypassed. For consistency, the U.S. needs *one* language, English, the predominant one. That way, everyone is on the same literary page, instead of this dual-language nonsense that has to be printed on most products within our English country. Natural resources: you seem to regard the U.S.'s natural resources as a paramount icon. I like our national resources as well; we as a nation have been blessed by God. Those resources provide fiscal independence from other nations. So if you regard them so highly, why don't you trek along our international border from Texas to Kalifornia and clean up the trash left by all the illegal immigrants in the weeds and wilderness areas. Don't make preservation statements without backing those up with your action and work. MAGA, Mark Winscott On 7/23/2018 1:14 AM, Linda Starr wrote: Thank you, Diana. The NSS did give you all notice. Read your NSS News. Be a little more tolerant and teach tolerance except of people who are not tolerant of immigrants (you are one), children who can’t read or write and those who pollute and misuse natural resources. Linda Starr Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org <mailto:wo...@justfamily.org> > wrote: Diana, current members update this yearly when they renew, or if they renew multiple years, then when it expires. If someone chose to let their membership lapse, then this is unsolicited contact. I understand the reason for this, but it was not handled properly, in my opinion and I certainly didn't opt in for any phone calls at any time. On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:52 PM Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu <mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> > wrote: Hi, The NSS, like lots of volunteer organizations, needs to know who are the people that are interested in receiving information from the organization. Since many people change email addresses and phone numbers, after a few years, the database is no longer current. This is an effective way to update the database by a professional company. It's impractical to ask a group of volunteer cavers to contact ~10,000 people to ask them about their personal information--and imagine how upset y'all would be if you knew it was just some random volunteer cavers trying to collect this information. Why does the NSS need this information? As with most organizations these days, the membership numbers are decreasing. In order for the NSS to stay relevant to their current members and to encourage people to renew their memberships, they need to be able to provide information to them. I would hope that as the fine cavers you all are in the Southwest Region of the NSS, that you would not want to deny the NSS the opportunity to interact with you in the future. Diana ************************************************** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd <https://maps.google.com/?q=5323+Harry+Hines+Blvd&entry=gmail&source=g> . Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu <mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> (214) 645-6383 <tel:%28214%29%20645-6383> (phone) (214) 645-6353 <tel:%28214%29%20645-6353> (fax) _____ From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> > on behalf of Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com <mailto:6453...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:24 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> Cc: Steve Peerman; SWR Cavers Group; Sandia Grotto; Allen Wright; Lee Skinner Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam? I phoned in. I authorized use of name, phone number and email. Asked if I wanted a directory, I said no. It wasn't a hard sell and they weren't after ant information that I seem sensitive. I think it's innocuous and that they are doing just what they were hired to do. Compile a directory and nothing more. On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 5:16 PM Stephen Fleming <casto...@gmail.com <mailto:casto...@gmail.com> > wrote: "Do not call' doesn't apply, since the contractor presumably is not the one making the calls. However, regarding the list, there is an exemption for non-profits. But, while the contractor is working for a non-profit, the company itself is a for-profit entity. It would be an interesting question whether they would get a pass due to the NSS overhead. Unsolicited emails pretty much follow the same scheme. Also, calls/emails are not prohibited for 'customers' who have a business relationship with the caller, something we all have by virtue of our membership. Less clear would be whether lapsed members could be called/emailed without violating restrictions. I think a case could be made that a lapsed member no longer has any relationship to the organization despite how desperately the NSS might want them back. Regardless of the above (and the inapplicability of do not call/email in this instance) it doesn't mean the NSS can do anything it wants with the private information gleaned from our member status. As events continue to repeatedly demonstrate, not only is direct hacking of PII databases a growing problem, but also misuse of data released to outside entities. You would think they'd notice the problems Facebook is in with poor handling of PII (for which FB also had assurances of integrity control...that didn't work out so well for them). The NSS has assured everyone the data is secure, but there's no way to ensure that. I wonder if the NSS can afford (or even has contemplated the issue/risk) to buy everyone identity theft protection if the data escapes the controls? I wonder if the contractor agreement included a requirement they would bear that expense in a data breach. If such an event is on the NSS, that would cost vastly more money and members than anything they ever could gain from this exercise. Stephen On 7/19/2018 15:36, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I agree, this was not handled very well at all. Since we did not agree to this, how does this fall under the Do-Not-Call registry, from the FCC's perspective? On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming <casto...@gmail.com <mailto:casto...@gmail.com> > wrote: It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS. The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise. However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant fund raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission on sales." The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is disingenuous in not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to search the NSS website to find that tidbit. Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to contact me and they already have everything they need to know. Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info and seeks information the NSS has no business collecting. I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and not tolerated. I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to a contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to participate pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data. Stephen 13727 RL FE On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote: Allen, It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the product that they are making. It is supposed to be an NSS directory of all NSS members past and present. I submitted my information, but I didn’t buy the book. It seems rather pricey to me. On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen <siz...@hotmail.com <mailto:siz...@hotmail.com> > wrote: Hey all, Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS members manual. Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with the NSS logo on it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in all caps, and a Po Box in Dallas Tx. I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking some odd questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, marital status, name of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation. Then at the end they want you to send them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then be sent out for two payments of $50 for the hard bound book. Or because I am a member, would bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy, for two payments of $75... I didn't provide much info, but started questioning it by the end. Anyone know anything about this? Is it a scam? Is the NSS publishing the members manual in hardback? 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