Sir, You invariably elevate my write ups,just flashes that occur to me in the morning to a very High Brow level,a level which often I cannot even understand.Thank you very much. YM
On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 9:59 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > Pranam > > AUTOPOIESIS: COGNITION EVERYWHERE :In Capra’s hands, the idea that life is > cognition is a way to abandon relevant distinctions, “the organizing > activity of living systems, at all levels of life, is mental activity. The > interactions of a living organism—plant, animal, or human—with its > environment are cognitive, or mental interactions. … Mind—or, more > accurately, mental process—is immanent in matter at all levels of life.” > This is as deadening, in its own way, as the currently faddish notion that > “the mind is a computer.” However, in the end, we have to reformulate all > of the old questions and reinvent all of the old categories. This is little > more than an intellectual make-work program. If all life is mind, we still > want to know what is special about human minds or mammalian minds or > vertebrate minds as compared to bacteria minds and tree minds. > > 2 There is a book written in 1928 Autopoiesis and cognition by > Maturana and Francisco where vivisection of the cows’ instinct after the > food consumption is discussed scientifically. It’s a mind stagnant reaction > where , when the whole world is presumed to have come to an end, by certain > category of people, and who had done fast triggers on other people to climb > up the stairs, using the heads of others, to climb-over, rewind the bad > ones. Good ones do not grind over the past but rely on the Brahmam. > > 3 Knowledge is the product of activities of individual minds, > activities whose subjects and investigative methods are - at least in > theory - free; in reality, however, they are rooted for the most part in > the social base where man is educated. In the modern Western world, this > base consists of an established system of knowledge collected and > transmitted to subsequent generations through a well-organised school > system. For every branch of science, therefore, it holds true that progress > takes place at continuously advancing frontier lines, thanks to which the > process of learning in a new generation can bene[1]fit from > pre-established cognitive structures, which, on the one hand, allow for an > enormous economy of thought and, on the other, offer the possibility and > the instruments to attack problems of increasing complexity. Scientific > progress is, therefore, a permanent legacy in advanced, stable societies. > From the quaternary to the modern age, individual cerebral abilities have > essentially remained unchanged, but they have been employed in such a way > so as to increase with time a collective patrimony of knowledge. owing to a > tradition involved in every aspect of knowledge and maintained in an exact > fashion as well as owing to an astonishingly synergistic amplification. > > 4 Progress is, in fact, possible, because knowledge is not inherited > genetically by more or less complex coding, but, in a certain way, is > continuously being codified and retained in some kind of external memory. > This collective intellectual heritage is transmitted through communication, > which presupposes a unity, a super-individual state, a communion (”cum > unione”) of cognitive processes. Human civilisation is essentially bound to > uninterrupted, multifarious traditions, oral, written, depicted, which > encompass all intellectual activities. Already in prehistoric societies the > individual was facing a patrimony of knowledge, which exceeded his learning > capabilities, but he accepted it in compliance with an authority principle, > whose alleged origins may even date back to a mythical past. The idea of > progress, as conceived in our times, is completely alien to this > traditional vision of knowledge that survived until historical ages. > > 5 On the other hand, the traces of any human activity, even if stored > in the most durable artificial memory, remain of limited interest and thus > of equally limited relevance and existence. For a short time these traces > continue to exert a direct influence on society; their contents may be used > as models, as sources of inspiration or be a source of criticism and > reflection; those of greatest interest are absorbed by other more relevant > subjects. In the end, the original remains are left to rest in some > external memory from where, with only a few exceptions, may be taken up > again from time to time until they fall into a permanent state of oblivion. > The periods of vital relevance, of possible influence and of mere > archaeological value of these products of human activities can be estimated > from our own historical past. > > 6 ”Suppose that an ultra intelligent machine can be defined so that it > surpasses all intellectual activities of the most intelligent man. Since > the plan of the machine is one of these intellectual activities, an > ultra-intelligent machine will be able to plan even better machines; that > would certainly lead to an ”outbreak of intelligence“ and intelligence of > man would be left behind of many lengths. Therefore, the ultra-intelligent > machine would be the last in[1]vention that man would have needed to > make, provided that the machine will be always obedient enough to tell him > how he can keep itself under control. > > 7 Theer are many stories and vedic verses of Upanishads for the real > autopoiesis in this land of which Bhaja govindam Ajaameelan, Puru apart the > Bheeshma upadesam of the last thoughts are narrated in Smd Bhagavatham ( > Azhwar in Tamil sung that when memory lapsed I wont be able to recite your > name, so Let me do now itself is the best cognitive science) as under: > > puruṣa-sva-bhāva-vihitān yathā-varṇaṁ yathāśramam > vairāgya-rāgopādhibhyām āmnātobhaya-lakṣaṇān (1 9 26) > > At Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira’s inquiry, Bhīṣmadeva first defined all the > classifications of castes and orders of life in terms of the individual’s > qualifications. Then he systematically, in twofold divisions, described > counteraction by detachment and interaction by attachment. > > dāna-dharmān rāja-dharmān mokṣa-dharmān vibhāgaśaḥ > strī-dharmān bhagavad-dharmān samāsa-vyāsa-yogataḥ (1 9 27) > > He then explained, by divisions, acts of charity, the pragmatic activities > of a king and activities for salvation. Then he described the duties of > women and devotees, both briefly and extensively. > > dharmārtha-kāma-mokṣāṁś ca sahopāyān yathā mune > nānākhyānetihāseṣu varṇayām āsa tattvavit (1 9 28) > > Then he described the occupational duties of different orders and statuses > of life, citing instances from history, for he was himself well acquainted > with the truth. > > tadopasaṁhṛtya giraḥ sahasraṇīr vimukta-saṅgaṁ mana ādi-pūruṣe > kṛṣṇe lasat-pīta-paṭe catur-bhuje puraḥ sthite ’mīlita-dṛg vyadhārayat > > Thereupon that man who spoke on different subjects with thousands of > meanings, and who fought on thousands of battlefields and protected > thousands of men, stopped speaking and, being completely freed from all > bondage, withdrew his mind from everything else and fixed his wide-open > eyes upon the original Personality of Godhead, who stood before him, > four-handed, dressed in yellow garments that glittered and shined. 1/9/30. > > अन्तर्बाष्पाकुलितनयनानन्तरङ्गानपश्यन् > अग्रे घॊषं रुदितबहुलं कातरानमशृण्वन् । > अत्युत्क्रान्तिश्रममगणयन्नन्तकालॆ कपर्दिन् > अङ्घ्रिद्वन्द्वॆ तव निविशतामन्तरात्मन्ममात्मा ॥ ३९ ॥ > > antarbAShpAkulitanayanAnantara~ggAnapashyan > agre ghOShaM rudita bahulaM kAtarAnam ashRuNvan | > atyutkrAntishramamagaNayannantakAlE kapardin > a~gghridvandvE tava nivishatAmantarAtmanmamAtmA || 39 || > > Not looking at the eyes of the intimate ones that are muddied with the > brimming tears, not hearing the wide cries of the tender ladies in the > front, not considering the pain of the breath going out, > oh the God with the braid-locks, oh the One residing in the soul, > may my soul resort to Your two feet! KR IRS 24422 > > > > On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 17:39, Suryanarayana Ambadipudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> /// As one ages, one begins remembering and recollecting one’s life. /// >> >> Fully agree with your views. >> >> On Fri, 22 Apr, 2022, 8:09 pm Markendeya Yeddanapudi, < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Mar**The Autopoetic Recollection* >>> >>> >>> >>> Autopoiesis is the self check and self audit of every system and aspect >>> in the mini universe, the cell, by the cell before it divides into two and >>> ends its existence as one cell. Before death every organism too remembers >>> and recollects its entire life, a different Autopoesis, may be before >>> entering into another life. A human being too remembers his/her entire life >>> for a few minutes before dying. According to Dr Raymond Moody, a human >>> being experiences the sliding fast in a tunnel before meeting an apparition >>> of ultimate bliss, a person in the shape of the pleasantest light. The >>> light speaks to the person to remember his/her entire life. The light gives >>> the sensation of total approval and acceptance of the person. The person >>> wants to remain with the light forever. >>> >>> The person then remembers and recollects his/her entire life feeling >>> happy for every deed of love and regretting bitterly for every deed of >>> hate.Today, Psychologists admit that a person remembers his/her entire life >>> very fast within five minutes, before dying. The theory of a being of light >>> speaking is still not admitted by Psychologists. >>> >>> As one ages, one begins remembering and recollecting one’s life. One >>> stops creating new paradigms of connection for more understanding, as one >>> advances in age. The words, phrases, clauses and sentences, form the >>> person, rest on the established paradigms. One can know the dominant >>> paradigms of understanding by that person on the basis of the words that >>> person uses. >>> >>> There are also those, who have spent very purposeful and altruism driven >>> lives, and who continue serving others till the last minutes of life. They >>> die most probably with a smile of great happiness and they may actually >>> merge into the being of light-The Siva. >>> >>> Unfortunately there are also persons who have spent very negative lives, >>> and for them, death is very negative. Negative language and denigration >>> becomes their expression, even in advanced age. How they feel, when they >>> ultimately undergo Autopoiesis before dying, is not pleasant to imagine. >>> >>> As a member of the seniors forum, it is my fortune to meet wonderful >>> people, whose Autopoiesis may be a wonderful orgasm, before they leave for >>> their next world. >>> >>> YM >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "societyforservingseniors" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/society4servingseniors/CACDCHCK7r77oZhpSirdAOtvC%3Dzyy6Wdziktb3stTkBsYOj9Stg%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/society4servingseniors/CACDCHCK7r77oZhpSirdAOtvC%3Dzyy6Wdziktb3stTkBsYOj9Stg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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