Pranam The bitter truth ends there sekarji. We do not fight even; we stand united with the villainy out of fear or clan-phobia or out of jealous thoughts who is bigger; We lack the strength to raise as we do have a lot of skeletons in the cup boards. We are not ashamed to lead a Peaceful life(it means what?) and die anon. The politics played by the opposition against the BJP is open;everyday the congress is creating a problem in some parts of the nation mainly using the saste and the muslims. Every excavation of shiva lingam and the 8 years progress do irritate them and their victory in 2024. HIstory has shown since 1947 blood flow of Hundu-muslims. Wounds of slaying the cases within. That is the tool. So far Islam spoke many unruly rude words as one member was bragging in our group but all remained quite; but when one BJO after the patience placed a diplomatic use agaimnst, the UAE and all the Indian opposition slammed the BjP as you and all did. Villains always win ; Villains only go to swarga; adultery of Vyasa is true deliverance; Parartchi petra is a vedic quote; but the TP, B ..D is exhaustive to "duchaadannans" and the kauravas would remain silent. Oh lo, who is that Sai named person insulting Sai?; and "indian"is always that Indian. After all 100 people; but 90% are Kauravas silent spectators; because Bhishma the villain who is supposed to be karta of Vishnu sahasranamam we recite and hence the blood of villain is within all of us!!! Then the devil will speak scriptures too as UAE might do. No one will rise against when a puny nation demands apology to the largest democracy of this earth. Shameless Indian. Shameless people. Vote bank culture. Educated non-believers. LIVING WITHOUT ANY PURPOSE ONLY TO DIE. May not expect much BETTER TO BEG AT RAMESHWARAM TEMPLE RATHER THAN BEING DHARMIC. KR IRS 7622
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 at 08:57, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok, let us go on fighting who is bigger, better etc. And eventually, > We will be told to obey Jesus or Allah which we will do; after all we are > used to centuries of subjugation. > > Recent events show how a deeply divided Hindu society is throwing the > field open to the crusaders. > > Our mentality is > Even if I lose one eye, it's ok so long as the other loses two, or is it > the other way round? > > I rest my case. > > N Sekar > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 1:35 PM, Narayanaswamy Iyer > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Stories are stories. They can be taken with a pinch, or with a whole tub, > of salt, as requisite. > > But blasphemies about gods fighting like Hari and Hara for lost causes -- > e. g. because some love-sick asura maiden kidnapped her divine lover -- > make the hearers and readers question the legitimacy and authority of the > blasphemer, even if the blasphemer's grandmother was a fish and he himself > was covertly conceived on a boat when his youthful mother was seduced by a > paripatetic aged ascetic passenger. > > Some pious lies blindly and recklessly bandied about need to be nailed, > e.g.: > > *"**Harium Haranum Onru, ithu ariyathavan vayile mannu" meaning both Hari > and Hara (Siva) are one and the same." ?* -- N Sekar > > Fairy tales, nursery rhymes, and children's fantasies meant for diversion > and amusement need to be distinguished from serious puranic narratives like > the account of Sathyakaama whose mother, in her youth, served many guests > and visitors to her house, and so could not say who made her pregnant with > her son nor what his gothram was. > > Same applies to Vidoora, the illegitimate son born to brahmachaari triple > adulterer Vyaasa through sex with the maidservant of Ambaalika, royal > second widow of deceased king Vichitraveeryan. > > On what authority does the same Vyaasa say there are more than two dozen > avathaarams of Lord Shree Mahaavishnu -- including atheist rebellious > veda-rejecting kshathriya-born Gauthama Buddha? > > On what authority does he also say that Lord Shree Krishna, whom we > worship with deep devotion, has no less that 16,108 wives concurrently? > > What is the "philosophical truth" behind these and other human-error-prone > concoctions? > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On 6 Jun 2022, at 2:21 PM, N Sekar <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, stories are there to convey a deeper meaning and once we understand > the philosophical Truth behind the stories, we need to leave the stories > behind and move on. Just like, > > we use a ladder to climb to a particular height to reach a place and once > we reach our desired place, we have to leave the ladder and not cling on to > it. If we do, we will be neither here nor there, but be hanging, always. > > Stories are like torches - to make us to find our path in the dark and to > make our journey easier to reach our destination - torches are not our > destinations although they help us in our journey. Like that, stories in > our puranas are the torches to find our way in the dark (as the Philosophy > is difficult to understand, like moving in the dark) but they are not the > bealls and endalls. > > If Gods start fighting with each other then they are not really Gods, or > are they? God is above and beyond likes and dislikes and if that be so, > where is the question of superiority and inferiority? > > God is Paripoorna - always full to the brim and hence there is no need > > My humble Pranams to worshipful Sage Veda Vyasa who gave us the Fifth > Vedam - Mahabharatha. > It is said "If you have read everything and not the Mahabharatha, you have > read nothing; but, if you have read the Mahabharatha only and not anything > else, you have read everyrhing". > > Apart from the Gita, there are other gems like Vidhura Needhi, Yaksha > Prahnam and others to educate us and illumine our lives. To that great Sage > Veda Vyasa, my aneeka koti namaskaram. Not for nothing, sage Veda Vyasa > is worshipped by the learned in our country during the Buddha Pournima. > > N Sekar > > > On Monday, June 6, 2022, 09:40:18 AM GMT+4, Narayanaswamy Iyer < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Illuminating summary. Thanks. > > Raises more questions than it answers. > > We all know that triple-adulterer Vyaasa (being a vowed brahmachaarin, > slept nevertheless with the two widows of dead King Vichithraveeriyan and > with the maidservant of one of the two widows and produced three > illegitimate sons) wrote the Mahaabhaaratham in the Geetha portion of which > occurs the quote:- > > *"Lord Krishna also has said that whatever Form we may choose to worship > Him in, ultimately it all reaches HIM only."* -- N Sekar > > The same Vyaasa also much later wrote the (Vishnu) Bhaagavatham in which > he recounts in detail a great pitched armed battle between Hari in the form > of Shree Krishna and Hara in the form of Lord Shankara when Hari routed > Hara along with the armies of Hara's sons Vinayaka and Subrahmania. And > Hara surrendered in abject defeat and praised Hari's valour and supremacy. > > Does not this give the lie to the quoted Thamizh saying:- > > *"**Harium Haranum Onru, ithu ariyathavan vayile mannu" meaning both Hari > and Hara (Siva) are one and the same." ?* -- N Sekar > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On 6 Jun 2022, at 12:50 PM, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I am giving a brief summary as I don't want to go into a detailed > discussion. > > If you study the Upanishads (from my limited knowledge of them), they all > talk about "Brahman" only and not about other Gods that we worship now; > they all came later to cater to people with different tastes so each can > worship Him in a Form that he finds conducive. It is also easier to > concentrate on a Name and Form as opposed to an abstract concept like > Brahman which only the Gnanis are capable of. > > After Brahman, we started worshipping Indra, Sun God, Rivers, Cows, Trees, > and others - in general Nature in all its manifestations as a form of > respect and Gratitude. Because they give sustenance to our lives we started > worshipping them as anything we worship we will do no harm to. And being > Grateful is ingrained in our culture. > > *Gold is one but it manifests in different forms like chains, bangles, > rings etc but their substratum is ONE that is GOLD.* Many of us call Gold > in the form it takes like chains, bangles etc, but Gnanis recognize them > for what they are - GOLD. Like that Brahman is ONE although He may be > worshipped and recognized in various ways. > > Another example given is the person is ONE although he may be called > Grandfather, Father, son, brother, friend etc. depending on who addresses > him. > > Lord Krishna also has said that whatever Form we may choose to worship Him > in, ultimately it all reaches HIM only. > > *Forms are not as important as the underlying Faith and Devotion is. But > unfortunately we forget that and fight over Names and Forms. * > > *There is a Tamizh saying " Harium Haranum Onru, ithu ariyathavan vayile > mannu" meaning both Hari and Hara (Siva) are one and the same and it is the > ignorant who see them as different.* > > > N Sekar > > > On Monday, June 6, 2022, 05:35:21 AM GMT+4, Rangarajan T.N.C. < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Most intellectuals have become non believers > > On Monday, 6 June, 2022, 06:46:10 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sure. > > Nowadays it is convenient to pretend there never was, nor is, any > shanmatham or dashaavathaarams. And no sahasranaamams, laghu-sahasranaamams, > thrishathis, ashtothrams and ashtadashis either for most of our deities. > > Just one praanam-paramaathma/parashakthi only. > > And one inscrutable pranavam. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On 6 Jun 2022, at 12:36 AM, 'venkat giri' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > VERY GOOD ONE > > On Sunday, 5 June, 2022, 09:35:35 am IST, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks. > > That God is ONE is beyond question. > > Problem arises only because: > > Abrahamic Religions say the ONE God is THEIR God ONLY and their way is the > ONLY way to reach Him. > > whereas > > Hinduism says God is ONE but you can call Him by ANY name and my way is > NOT the ONLY way. > > Unfortunately the Siculars hide or conveniently overlook this simple but > vital fact and go on repeating that all religions say there is only one God. > > > N Sekar > > > On Sunday, June 5, 2022, 06:38:49 AM GMT+4, SRIRAMAJAYAM < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Very interesting & meaningful msg :If :A = 1 ; B = 2 ; C = 3 ; D = 4 ;E > = 5 ; F = 6 ; G = 7 ; H = 8 ;I = 9 ; J = 10 ; K = 11 ; L = 12 ;M = 13 ; N = > 14 ; O = 15 ; P = 16 ;Q = 17 ; R = 18 ; S = 19 ; T = 20 ;U = 21 ; V = 22 ; > W = 23 ; X =24 ;Y = 25 ; Z = 26;Then,* > > > *Hindu * > > > > *S h r e e K r i s h n a19+8+18+5+5+11+18+9+19+8+14+1= 135= 1+3+5 = 9 🙏* > > > > > > *MuslimM o h a m m e d13+15+8+1+13+13+5+4= 72= 7+2 = 9 🤲* > > > > > > > > *JainM a h a v i r13+1+8+1+22+9+18= 72= 7+2= 9🙏Sikh* > > > > > > > > > > > > > *G u r u N a n a k7+21+18+21+14+1+14+1+11= 108= 1+0+8 = 9🙏ParsiZ a r a t > h u s t r a26+1+18+1+20+8+21+19+20+18+1= 153= 1+5+3 = 9🙏Buddhist* > > > *G a u t a m7+1+21+20+1+13* > > > > *= 63= 6+3 = 9🤜Christian* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *E s a M e s s i a h5+19+1+13+5+19+19+9+1+8= 999+9 =181+8 = 9🤲Each one > ends with number 9THAT IS NATURE'S CREATION TO SHOW THAT GOD IS ONE > !!! 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