Pranam The mind that is controlled by the GUNA is the cause and ,consequential effects , generated out of such actions. Broad-minded people think about how to handle the high and the low. The narrow minded errs and later regrets, internally, without admitting the folly. Tiruvallkuvar said that as the well gives out a lot of water, because it is dug to the roots, so too, the knowledge expands ,as one reads and experiences the right roads. The timidity is the outcome of the lack of knowledge; the intention to reAD THE RIGHT MATERIALS AND ANALYSE THE EXPERIENCES, OPENS THE THINK-TANK TOWARDS THE SKY. Hence, hasty actions mars those who acted as villains only. Many die without learning them. Pass off as nothing leaving the DNAs back. QUestions OR Answers or QU and (or includes and also) Answers, or QU only OR and Answers only -is the wrong concept in many occasions. Only a few learned to do that on this earth. All Indian upanishads,Vedas and the Puranas did that where the knowledge was served on a platter, by Q &A. Then in Greece SOCRETES was showing the way of Q&A. JIDDU KRISHNAMURTHY did that. Another who did in the bad way was KK in Murasoli; he could unite a vote bank and won over and failed to capture the Governance; yet there was no right direction or finer administration that could be seen as the path chosen was incorrect as well as the ther intentions were self-centered. So any knowledge is right where the asking is on the right direction and the right age and time; nothing will prevent any one from learning anything at any point of time; however, such tit-bits, informations or cumulative passages shall render the effective materials so as tyo feed the right spectrum; so what I am doing is where the spectrum is not obtained but ,deviations noticed; and so I express the right view as rendered by my ancestors, which I strongly been convinced as the right one, to course-correct; hence i DO NOT WRITE ON EVERYTHING; I am not replying to anyone including yourself. Either another view is presented; or where it is incongruent, expressed from the authentic materials. We do not chid the child if blurted something wrong, so too your encouragement is timely. Thank you Where we write authentically, we have views; where the wrong materials are presented, the course corrections are rendered. Many of us trying to be the original concept makers. Thanks again KR IRS 23622
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 06:39, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Sri Gopoalakrishnan, > It is my privilege to be receiving your wonderful and very insightful > posts,your personality oozing because of the great quality of your posts.I > am now 85,but still keeping reasonably fit. > The spectacle of Sri Rajaram replying to your messages actually adds to > the value of your posts.He complements. > YM > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:31 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Pranam >> 1 Old age is a problem but one who learnt that growth do not feel that >> way at all. I am taking you to Valmiki and Kalidas wrt the old age >> ,described by words of dasaratha. ( I read this in my 13th year when >> studying in the school. >> >> *Valmiki Ramayana - Ayodhya Kanda in Prose* >> >> idaM shariiraM kR^itsnasya lokasya charataa hitam | >> *paaNdurasya atapatrasya chchhaayaayaaM jaritaM mayaa || 2-2-7* >> >> *7. mayaa= by me, charitaa= being conducted, hitham= for the benefit, >> kR^itsnasya= of all , lokasya= of the people, idam shariiram= this body, >> jaritam= became worn out, chchhaayaayaaM= under the shadow, paandurasya >> atapatrasya= of white umbrella.* >> >> "In conducting the kingdom for benefit of the entire people, my body >> became impaired under *shade of the white umbrella."* >> >> *Jaritham maya chaayaayaa pandurasya atapatrasya: white hairs seen at >> the corner of the ears shadowed part -denoting the old age ; I read this in >> my 8th standard taught by Ramakrishna sasgtrigal speaaking about the old >> age as dasaratha descreibed. * >> >> praapya varshhasahasraaNi bahuu nyaayuuMshhi jiivataH | >> jiirNasyaasya shariirasya vishraanti mabhirochaye || 2-2-8 >> >> *8. asya= this, shariirasya= body, praapya= got, jiivataH= living, >> bahuuni= many, varshha sahasraaNi= thousands of years, aayuuMshhi= of age, >> abhirochaye= I desire, vishraantim= rest.* >> >> "This body has been living for many thousands of years. Hence I desire >> rest." >> >> raajaprabhaavajushhTaam hi durvahaamajitendriyaiH | >> parishraanto.asmi lokasya gurviiM dharmadhuraM vahan || 2-2-9 >> >> *9. gurviim= great, lokasya= worldly, dharmadhuraM= weight of >> righteousness, raaja prabhaava justaam= serviced by regal power, durvahaam= >> could not be carried by, ajitendriyaiH= those who have not defeated senses, >> asmi parishraantaH= I am tired, vahan= of carrying.* >> >> "This burden of worldly righteousness is very heavy. This can be >> sustained only by royal power with qualities like courage and valor. A >> person who has no control of senses can not carry this burden. I have >> become tired while carrying this burden of righteousness. " >> >> so.ahaM vishramamichchhaami putraM kR^itvaa prajaahite | >> sannikR^ishhTaanimaan sarvaananumaanya dvijarshhabhaan || 2-2-10 >> >> *10. saH aham= (That) I, ichchhaami= desire, vishramam= to rest, >> anumaanya= getting consent (of), sarvaan= all, imaan= these, >> dvijarshhabhaan= best of Brahmans, sannikR^ishhTaan= close at hand, >> kR^itvaa= keeping, putram= son, prajaahite= for the benefit of people.* >> >> "I desire to take rest, entrusting the rule to my son for the benefit of >> the people, after obtaining consent from all those best Brahmans who are >> close to me." >> >> *Sarga 2 *Dasaratha mentions his desire about coronation of Rama before >> the assembly of people. All people in the assembly unanimously and >> delightfully accept it while describing all of Rama's virtues. >> >> *- - -* >> >> Addressing invited gathering in the court, Dasaratha spoke in friendly, >> pleasing and clear terms. In a loud voice resembling that of a >> kettle-drum, resounding the air like a thundering cloud and in a sweet >> splendid and incomparable voice endowed with the characteristics of a >> king's voice, King Dasaratha the lord of men spoke to the kings as follows >> : >> >> "It is well known that my excellent kingdom was ruled by my ancestral >> kings as if it were their son. I have a desire that this entire land which >> was protected by the descendents of Ikshvaaku dynasty, be bestowed with >> goodness and the resultant happiness. Following the path established by my >> ancestors, I have always protected my people with alertness and to the best >> of my ability. In conducting the kingdom for benefit of the entire people, >> my body became impaired under shade of the white umbrella." >> >> "This body has been living for many thousands of years. Hence I desire >> rest. This burden of worldly righteousness is very heavy. This can be >> sustained only by royal power with qualities like courage and valor. A >> person who has no control of senses can not carry this burden. I have >> become tired while carrying this burden of righteousness. I desire to take >> rest, entrusting the rule to my son for the benefit of the people, after >> obtaining consent from all those best Brahmans who are close to me." >> >> Maha kavi Kalidasan describes the same as under: >> >> निर्विष्टविषयस्नेहः स दशान्तमुपेयिवान्। >> आसीदासन्ननिर्वाणः प्रदीपार्चिरिवोषसि॥ १२-१ >> >> nirviṣṭaviṣayasnehaḥ sa daśāntamupeyivān| >> āsīdāsannanirvāṇaḥ pradīpārcirivoṣasi || 12-1 >> >> 12-1. nirviShTa viShaya snehaH= who enjoyed, senses, pleasures - who had >> enjoyed all pleasures of the senses; dasha antam upeyivAn saH= who had >> attained the declining period of existence, he that Dasharatha; uShasi >> pradIpa arciH iva= morning time, lamp's, wick, as with; Asanna nirvANaH >> AsIt= at hand, final emancipation, having, he is there. >> >> He who had enjoyed all pleasures of the senses, attaining the declining >> period of existence, and having his final emancipation at hand, Dasharatha, >> was like the flame of a lamp about to extinguish in the early morning, with >> its supply of oil finished and with its wick nearly consumed. [12-1] >> >> Now Dasharatha, having known all joys/Of sense, and entering on >> life's final stage,/Neared his eclipse, as fades before the dawn/The >> lamplight. >> >> तम् कर्णमूलमागत्य रामे श्रीर्न्यस्यतामिति। >> कैकेयीशङ्कयेवाह पलितच्छद्मना जरा॥ १२-२ >> >> tam karṇamūlamāgatya rāme śrīrnyasyatāmiti| >> kaikeyīśaṅkayevāha palitacchadmanā jarā || 12-2 >> >> 12-2. jarA = old age; kaikeyI sha~NkayA iva= as if fearing for >> Kaikeyi; palita cChadmanA= in the guise of hoariness, silvery white >> hair; karNa mUlam Agatya = ear, at a corner of, having come; rAme shrIH >> nyasyatAm iti = in Rama, kingdom, may be kept, thus; tam Aha = to him, said. >> >> Old Age under the guise of grey hair came to the root of his ear and, as >> if through fear of Kaikeyi, whispered to him 'let Rama be crowned...' >> [12-2] >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> ISCKON and many Krishna trusts had drawn these figures of growth from >> child to the old age . Adi shankara describes it in Bhaja Govindam. >> Azhwars sung it as "ATRAIKKU IPPODE SOLLIVAITAEN". BHARATHI SAID "WILL i >> FALL DOWN LIKE OTHER OLD AGED PEOPLE LIKE NINE PINS?. VEEZHVAEN ENA >> NINAITHAYO?. DHARMA pathway does not worry the old age or the Prime; the >> illegal acts conspired by villains do contribute to the pains of the old >> age. If the old age is understood then why all the vainglorious acts of >> misdeeds?. >> >> Rig Vedam Mandala 1 verse 89 speaks at least 10000 years before, the >> old age as under: >> >> ‘*sataminnu sarado anti devahyatra nascakra jarasam tanunam **putraso >> yatra pitaro bhavanti mano madhyareerishatayurgantoh*‘ >> >> *“Oh you Gods! A lovely hundred years (Śarad seasons) stand before us >> with in the given span of lifetime. Kindly, do not trouble our mortal >> physical frame, until we reach to a certain age. The next generation can >> take charge and get ready to bear the responsibilities of becoming fathers >> in turn.” **Rigveda 1.89.9* >> >> Ramayana expressed a truth that death is natural to all beings while life >> and living is change. But if a being lives long breathing (*svāsan*) >> healthily then we consider him to be fortunate. In other words, if >> *prāṇa-śakti >> i*s live, healthy, it is a blessing and the person would be able to >> witness many things for long time upon this Earth. Therefore, to grow into >> the >> stage of senior citizen for any being born on Earth is Fortunate. Here >> when Valmiki employed the word ‘*Svāsa*’ he seems to imply health, >> active life in the granted span of time. *Svāsa* is the *prāṇa *and when >> it is intact activity could be done with such vigour and enthusiasm. >> Further we have a prayer to Rudra ‘*Prathamo Daivyo Bhishak’ (SYV 16 >> Ch).* He needs to bless us long life followed by assurances of health >> and detachments of unwanted strings of responsibilities. This would help >> for all to subsist that period of life to go for gains like: friends, >> health, wealth, and above all sustained memory. In *Camaka prasanga* of >> Yajurveda, we have many articles of life programs enlisted. All of them are >> lending support for hope and optimistic aspirations for necessary comfort. >> Thereby our faculties and activity shall not be passive. In principle, we >> have asked for 35 optimistic desires and conditions to go safe with us >> until the end of being a senior citizen. There are hundreds of positive >> desires to stay and be fruitful to us in life. For example, one can see >> developments in various dimensions of life like, family, profession, >> contacts, religious and spiritual events and distinctions. Such long life >> leads to growth into being a ‘*Śatāyuṣī*’ (of hundred years). Right from >> the age eighty and more years of age, the person is styled as *Śatāyuṣī* and >> there are many *āśirvāda* mantras Veda and other scriptures to confirm >> health and peace in the life thereafter for the persons in. Prayer is >> unfailing measure of attainments being proved a Boon and Bonus. KR >> IRS 22622 >> >> >> >> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 at 12:12, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> OLD AGE >>> >>> Dear friends, >>> >>> I have visited ISKON temple in Bangalore many times. About the exit of >>> the temple one thing attracted me was the number of idols kept from birth >>> to death. From infant to dying stage. How the height increase in >>> young stage, how appear in the beginning of maturity of the person, how >>> height decrease as he comes about 60, the stage he is old, able to walk >>> only with stick, about 70 how the body shrinks, and bend occurs at middle >>> of body in spite of holding stick, and body further shrinks and collapse >>> leading to death. >>> >>> In spite of diseases or not at old age many are not able to consume >>> food. Taste buds disappear. >>> >>> What I have specially observed at old age above 75- It becomes a burden >>> even to go to a barber shop and haircut. Daily shaved person changes to >>> twice a week. Once a month haircutting changes to once in 2/3 months. >>> >>> With all facilities of western toilet and hot water facility and nearby >>> wash basin, feels as burden to clean the teeth, take bath. Even though the >>> person knows, all these things are to be done, the feeling of burden- Oh, I >>> have to do, appears and carry out with hesistation. >>> >>> The person who changed the dress daily, feels burden of wash in washing >>> machine and put for drying and ironing. He changes the dress for going out >>> once a week. Daily wear somehow he manages because of hygenine. >>> >>> Most important- Taking food and medicine. Due to hunger he may take a >>> little food, he feels full with small quantity. Aversion is more to take >>> the prescribed pills- opening and taking out and consuming. If somebody >>> keeps ready, aversion is slightly less. The same type of burden feeling and >>> postponing things if possible even the most important ones. >>> >>> For response by fellow members >>> >>> Gopalakrishnan 22-6-2022. >>> >>> > > -- > *Mar* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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