Pranam All glory to my Perumal and I am a tool to type Grateful sir KR IRS 23622
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 11:47, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < [email protected]> wrote: > I am a total illiterate in the Vedas and other Classics.When I read your > posts,I feel overwhelmed by your learning.And when I read them,I feel that > I am reading very interesting posts. > YM > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 8:51 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Pranam >> The mind that is controlled by the GUNA is the cause and ,consequential >> effects , generated out of such actions. Broad-minded people think about >> how to handle the high and the low. The narrow minded errs and later >> regrets, internally, without admitting the folly. Tiruvallkuvar said that >> as the well gives out a lot of water, because it is dug to the roots, so >> too, the knowledge expands ,as one reads and experiences the right roads. >> The timidity is the outcome of the lack of knowledge; the intention to reAD >> THE RIGHT MATERIALS AND ANALYSE THE EXPERIENCES, OPENS THE THINK-TANK >> TOWARDS THE SKY. Hence, hasty actions mars those who acted as villains >> only. Many die without learning them. Pass off as nothing leaving the DNAs >> back. QUestions OR Answers or QU and (or includes and also) Answers, or QU >> only OR and Answers only -is the wrong concept in many occasions. Only a >> few learned to do that on this earth. All Indian upanishads,Vedas and the >> Puranas did that where the knowledge was served on a platter, by Q &A. Then >> in Greece SOCRETES was showing the way of Q&A. JIDDU KRISHNAMURTHY did >> that. Another who did in the bad way was KK in Murasoli; he could unite a >> vote bank and won over and failed to capture the Governance; yet there was >> no right direction or finer administration that could be seen as the path >> chosen was incorrect as well as the ther intentions were self-centered. So >> any knowledge is right where the asking is on the right direction and the >> right age and time; nothing will prevent any one from learning anything at >> any point of time; however, such tit-bits, informations or cumulative >> passages shall render the effective materials so as tyo feed the right >> spectrum; so what I am doing is where the spectrum is not obtained but >> ,deviations noticed; and so I express the right view as rendered by my >> ancestors, which I strongly been convinced as the right one, to >> course-correct; hence i DO NOT WRITE ON EVERYTHING; I am not replying to >> anyone including yourself. Either another view is presented; or where it is >> incongruent, expressed from the authentic materials. We do not chid the >> child if blurted something wrong, so too your encouragement is timely. >> Thank you Where we write authentically, we have views; where the wrong >> materials are presented, the course corrections are rendered. Many of us >> trying to be the original concept makers. Thanks again KR IRS 23622 >> >> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 06:39, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Sri Gopoalakrishnan, >>> It is my privilege to be receiving your wonderful and very insightful >>> posts,your personality oozing because of the great quality of your posts.I >>> am now 85,but still keeping reasonably fit. >>> The spectacle of Sri Rajaram replying to your messages actually adds to >>> the value of your posts.He complements. >>> YM >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:31 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Pranam >>>> 1 Old age is a problem but one who learnt that growth do not feel >>>> that way at all. I am taking you to Valmiki and Kalidas wrt the old age >>>> ,described by words of dasaratha. ( I read this in my 13th year when >>>> studying in the school. >>>> >>>> *Valmiki Ramayana - Ayodhya Kanda in Prose* >>>> >>>> idaM shariiraM kR^itsnasya lokasya charataa hitam | >>>> *paaNdurasya atapatrasya chchhaayaayaaM jaritaM mayaa || 2-2-7* >>>> >>>> *7. mayaa= by me, charitaa= being conducted, hitham= for the benefit, >>>> kR^itsnasya= of all , lokasya= of the people, idam shariiram= this body, >>>> jaritam= became worn out, chchhaayaayaaM= under the shadow, paandurasya >>>> atapatrasya= of white umbrella.* >>>> >>>> "In conducting the kingdom for benefit of the entire people, my body >>>> became impaired under *shade of the white umbrella."* >>>> >>>> *Jaritham maya chaayaayaa pandurasya atapatrasya: white hairs seen at >>>> the corner of the ears shadowed part -denoting the old age ; I read this in >>>> my 8th standard taught by Ramakrishna sasgtrigal speaaking about the old >>>> age as dasaratha descreibed. * >>>> >>>> praapya varshhasahasraaNi bahuu nyaayuuMshhi jiivataH | >>>> jiirNasyaasya shariirasya vishraanti mabhirochaye || 2-2-8 >>>> >>>> *8. asya= this, shariirasya= body, praapya= got, jiivataH= living, >>>> bahuuni= many, varshha sahasraaNi= thousands of years, aayuuMshhi= of age, >>>> abhirochaye= I desire, vishraantim= rest.* >>>> >>>> "This body has been living for many thousands of years. Hence I desire >>>> rest." >>>> >>>> raajaprabhaavajushhTaam hi durvahaamajitendriyaiH | >>>> parishraanto.asmi lokasya gurviiM dharmadhuraM vahan || 2-2-9 >>>> >>>> *9. gurviim= great, lokasya= worldly, dharmadhuraM= weight of >>>> righteousness, raaja prabhaava justaam= serviced by regal power, durvahaam= >>>> could not be carried by, ajitendriyaiH= those who have not defeated senses, >>>> asmi parishraantaH= I am tired, vahan= of carrying.* >>>> >>>> "This burden of worldly righteousness is very heavy. This can be >>>> sustained only by royal power with qualities like courage and valor. A >>>> person who has no control of senses can not carry this burden. I have >>>> become tired while carrying this burden of righteousness. " >>>> >>>> so.ahaM vishramamichchhaami putraM kR^itvaa prajaahite | >>>> sannikR^ishhTaanimaan sarvaananumaanya dvijarshhabhaan || 2-2-10 >>>> >>>> *10. saH aham= (That) I, ichchhaami= desire, vishramam= to rest, >>>> anumaanya= getting consent (of), sarvaan= all, imaan= these, >>>> dvijarshhabhaan= best of Brahmans, sannikR^ishhTaan= close at hand, >>>> kR^itvaa= keeping, putram= son, prajaahite= for the benefit of people.* >>>> >>>> "I desire to take rest, entrusting the rule to my son for the benefit >>>> of the people, after obtaining consent from all those best Brahmans who are >>>> close to me." >>>> >>>> *Sarga 2 *Dasaratha mentions his desire about coronation of Rama >>>> before the assembly of people. All people in the assembly unanimously and >>>> delightfully accept it while describing all of Rama's virtues. >>>> >>>> *- - -* >>>> >>>> Addressing invited gathering in the court, Dasaratha spoke in friendly, >>>> pleasing and clear terms. In a loud voice resembling that of a >>>> kettle-drum, resounding the air like a thundering cloud and in a sweet >>>> splendid and incomparable voice endowed with the characteristics of a >>>> king's voice, King Dasaratha the lord of men spoke to the kings as follows >>>> : >>>> >>>> "It is well known that my excellent kingdom was ruled by my ancestral >>>> kings as if it were their son. I have a desire that this entire land which >>>> was protected by the descendents of Ikshvaaku dynasty, be bestowed >>>> with goodness and the resultant happiness. Following the path established >>>> by my ancestors, I have always protected my people with alertness and to >>>> the best of my ability. In conducting the kingdom for benefit of the entire >>>> people, my body became impaired under shade of the white umbrella." >>>> >>>> "This body has been living for many thousands of years. Hence I desire >>>> rest. This burden of worldly righteousness is very heavy. This can be >>>> sustained only by royal power with qualities like courage and valor. A >>>> person who has no control of senses can not carry this burden. I have >>>> become tired while carrying this burden of righteousness. I desire to take >>>> rest, entrusting the rule to my son for the benefit of the people, after >>>> obtaining consent from all those best Brahmans who are close to me." >>>> >>>> Maha kavi Kalidasan describes the same as under: >>>> >>>> निर्विष्टविषयस्नेहः स दशान्तमुपेयिवान्। >>>> आसीदासन्ननिर्वाणः प्रदीपार्चिरिवोषसि॥ १२-१ >>>> >>>> nirviṣṭaviṣayasnehaḥ sa daśāntamupeyivān| >>>> āsīdāsannanirvāṇaḥ pradīpārcirivoṣasi || 12-1 >>>> >>>> 12-1. nirviShTa viShaya snehaH= who enjoyed, senses, pleasures - who >>>> had enjoyed all pleasures of the senses; dasha antam upeyivAn saH= who had >>>> attained the declining period of existence, he that Dasharatha; uShasi >>>> pradIpa arciH iva= morning time, lamp's, wick, as with; Asanna nirvANaH >>>> AsIt= at hand, final emancipation, having, he is there. >>>> >>>> He who had enjoyed all pleasures of the senses, attaining the declining >>>> period of existence, and having his final emancipation at hand, Dasharatha, >>>> was like the flame of a lamp about to extinguish in the early morning, with >>>> its supply of oil finished and with its wick nearly consumed. [12-1] >>>> >>>> Now Dasharatha, having known all joys/Of sense, and entering on >>>> life's final stage,/Neared his eclipse, as fades before the dawn/The >>>> lamplight. >>>> >>>> तम् कर्णमूलमागत्य रामे श्रीर्न्यस्यतामिति। >>>> कैकेयीशङ्कयेवाह पलितच्छद्मना जरा॥ १२-२ >>>> >>>> tam karṇamūlamāgatya rāme śrīrnyasyatāmiti| >>>> kaikeyīśaṅkayevāha palitacchadmanā jarā || 12-2 >>>> >>>> 12-2. jarA = old age; kaikeyI sha~NkayA iva= as if fearing for >>>> Kaikeyi; palita cChadmanA= in the guise of hoariness, silvery white >>>> hair; karNa mUlam Agatya = ear, at a corner of, having come; rAme shrIH >>>> nyasyatAm iti = in Rama, kingdom, may be kept, thus; tam Aha = to him, >>>> said. >>>> >>>> Old Age under the guise of grey hair came to the root of his ear and, >>>> as if through fear of Kaikeyi, whispered to him 'let Rama be >>>> crowned...' [12-2] >>>> >>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> >>>> ISCKON and many Krishna trusts had drawn these figures of growth from >>>> child to the old age . Adi shankara describes it in Bhaja Govindam. >>>> Azhwars sung it as "ATRAIKKU IPPODE SOLLIVAITAEN". BHARATHI SAID "WILL i >>>> FALL DOWN LIKE OTHER OLD AGED PEOPLE LIKE NINE PINS?. VEEZHVAEN ENA >>>> NINAITHAYO?. DHARMA pathway does not worry the old age or the Prime; the >>>> illegal acts conspired by villains do contribute to the pains of the old >>>> age. If the old age is understood then why all the vainglorious acts >>>> of misdeeds?. >>>> >>>> Rig Vedam Mandala 1 verse 89 speaks at least 10000 years before, the >>>> old age as under: >>>> >>>> ‘*sataminnu sarado anti devahyatra nascakra jarasam tanunam **putraso >>>> yatra pitaro bhavanti mano madhyareerishatayurgantoh*‘ >>>> >>>> *“Oh you Gods! A lovely hundred years (Śarad seasons) stand before us >>>> with in the given span of lifetime. Kindly, do not trouble our mortal >>>> physical frame, until we reach to a certain age. The next generation can >>>> take charge and get ready to bear the responsibilities of becoming fathers >>>> in turn.” **Rigveda 1.89.9* >>>> >>>> Ramayana expressed a truth that death is natural to all beings while >>>> life and living is change. But if a being lives long breathing ( >>>> *svāsan*) healthily then we consider him to be fortunate. In other >>>> words, if *prāṇa-śakti i*s live, healthy, it is a blessing and the >>>> person would be able to witness many things for long time upon this Earth. >>>> Therefore, to grow into the stage of senior citizen for any being born >>>> on Earth is Fortunate. Here when Valmiki employed the word ‘*Svāsa*’ >>>> he seems to imply health, active life in the granted span of time. >>>> *Svāsa* is the *prāṇa *and when it is intact activity could be done >>>> with such vigour and enthusiasm. Further we have a prayer to Rudra >>>> ‘*Prathamo >>>> Daivyo Bhishak’ (SYV 16 Ch).* He needs to bless us long life followed >>>> by assurances of health and detachments of unwanted strings of >>>> responsibilities. This would help for all to subsist that period of life to >>>> go for gains like: friends, health, wealth, and above all sustained memory. >>>> In *Camaka prasanga* of Yajurveda, we have many articles of life >>>> programs enlisted. All of them are lending support for hope and optimistic >>>> aspirations for necessary comfort. Thereby our faculties and activity shall >>>> not be passive. In principle, we have asked for 35 optimistic desires and >>>> conditions to go safe with us until the end of being a senior citizen. >>>> There are hundreds of positive desires to stay and be fruitful to us in >>>> life. For example, one can see developments in various dimensions of life >>>> like, family, profession, contacts, religious and spiritual events and >>>> distinctions. Such long life leads to growth into being a ‘*Śatāyuṣī*’ >>>> (of hundred years). Right from the age eighty and more years of age, the >>>> person is styled as *Śatāyuṣī* and there are many *āśirvāda* mantras >>>> Veda and other scriptures to confirm health and peace in the life >>>> thereafter for the persons in. Prayer is unfailing measure of attainments >>>> being proved a Boon and Bonus. KR IRS 22622 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 at 12:12, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> OLD AGE >>>>> >>>>> Dear friends, >>>>> >>>>> I have visited ISKON temple in Bangalore many times. About the exit >>>>> of the temple one thing attracted me was the number of idols kept from >>>>> birth to death. From infant to dying stage. How the height >>>>> increase in young stage, how appear in the beginning of maturity of the >>>>> person, how height decrease as he comes about 60, the stage he is old, >>>>> able >>>>> to walk only with stick, about 70 how the body shrinks, and bend occurs at >>>>> middle of body in spite of holding stick, and body further shrinks and >>>>> collapse leading to death. >>>>> >>>>> In spite of diseases or not at old age many are not able to consume >>>>> food. Taste buds disappear. >>>>> >>>>> What I have specially observed at old age above 75- It becomes a >>>>> burden even to go to a barber shop and haircut. Daily shaved person >>>>> changes >>>>> to twice a week. Once a month haircutting changes to once in 2/3 months. >>>>> >>>>> With all facilities of western toilet and hot water facility and >>>>> nearby wash basin, feels as burden to clean the teeth, take bath. Even >>>>> though the person knows, all these things are to be done, the feeling of >>>>> burden- Oh, I have to do, appears and carry out with hesistation. >>>>> >>>>> The person who changed the dress daily, feels burden of wash in >>>>> washing machine and put for drying and ironing. He changes the dress for >>>>> going out once a week. Daily wear somehow he manages because of hygenine. >>>>> >>>>> Most important- Taking food and medicine. Due to hunger he may take a >>>>> little food, he feels full with small quantity. Aversion is more to take >>>>> the prescribed pills- opening and taking out and consuming. If somebody >>>>> keeps ready, aversion is slightly less. The same type of burden feeling >>>>> and >>>>> postponing things if possible even the most important ones. >>>>> >>>>> For response by fellow members >>>>> >>>>> Gopalakrishnan 22-6-2022. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Mar* >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Thatha_Patty" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqsXaGOE7hg57zNs0cE_vmKV0W04T60FHK419RdL%2Bimcg%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqsXaGOE7hg57zNs0cE_vmKV0W04T60FHK419RdL%2Bimcg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZopK9%3DQu32wmV25Ec02pR_2H5JZVQJd%3Dn1FxQjnSfpSncg%40mail.gmail.com.
