Pranam
All glory to my Perumal  and I am a tool to type Grateful sir  KR   IRS
23622

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 11:47, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I am a total illiterate in the Vedas and other Classics.When I read your
> posts,I feel overwhelmed by your learning.And when I read them,I feel that
> I am reading very interesting posts.
> YM
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 8:51 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Pranam
>> The mind that is controlled by the GUNA is the cause and ,consequential
>> effects , generated out of such actions. Broad-minded people think about
>> how to handle the high and the low. The narrow minded errs and later
>> regrets, internally, without admitting the folly. Tiruvallkuvar said that
>> as the well gives out a lot of water, because it is dug to the roots, so
>> too, the knowledge expands ,as one reads and experiences the right roads.
>> The timidity is the outcome of the lack of knowledge; the intention to reAD
>> THE RIGHT MATERIALS AND ANALYSE THE EXPERIENCES, OPENS THE THINK-TANK
>> TOWARDS THE SKY. Hence, hasty actions mars those who acted as villains
>> only. Many die without learning them. Pass off as nothing leaving the DNAs
>> back. QUestions  OR Answers or QU and (or includes and also) Answers, or QU
>> only OR and Answers only -is the wrong concept in many occasions. Only a
>> few learned to do that on this earth. All Indian upanishads,Vedas and the
>> Puranas did that where the knowledge was served on a platter, by Q &A. Then
>> in Greece  SOCRETES was showing the way of Q&A. JIDDU KRISHNAMURTHY did
>> that. Another who did in the bad way was KK in Murasoli; he could unite a
>> vote bank and won over and failed to capture the Governance; yet there was
>> no right direction or finer administration that could be seen as the path
>> chosen was incorrect as well as the ther intentions were self-centered. So
>> any knowledge is right where the asking is on the right direction and the
>> right age and time; nothing will prevent any one from learning anything at
>> any point of time; however, such tit-bits, informations or cumulative
>> passages shall render the effective materials so as tyo feed the right
>> spectrum; so what I am doing is where the spectrum is not obtained but
>> ,deviations noticed; and so I express the right view as rendered by my
>> ancestors, which I strongly been convinced as the right one, to
>> course-correct; hence i DO NOT WRITE ON EVERYTHING; I am not replying to
>> anyone including yourself. Either another view is presented; or where it is
>> incongruent, expressed from the authentic materials. We do not chid the
>> child if blurted something wrong, so too your encouragement is timely.
>> Thank you  Where we write authentically, we have views; where the wrong
>> materials are presented, the course corrections are rendered. Many of us
>> trying to be the original concept makers. Thanks again  KR IRS  23622
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 06:39, Markendeya Yeddanapudi <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sri Gopoalakrishnan,
>>> It is my privilege to be receiving your wonderful and very insightful
>>> posts,your personality oozing because of the great quality of your posts.I
>>> am now 85,but still keeping reasonably fit.
>>> The spectacle of Sri Rajaram replying to your messages actually adds to
>>> the value of your posts.He complements.
>>> YM
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:31 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pranam
>>>> 1   Old age is a problem but one who learnt that growth do not feel
>>>> that way at all.  I am taking you to Valmiki and Kalidas wrt the old age
>>>> ,described by words of dasaratha. ( I read this in my 13th year when
>>>> studying in the school.
>>>>
>>>> *Valmiki Ramayana - Ayodhya Kanda in Prose*
>>>>
>>>> idaM shariiraM kR^itsnasya lokasya charataa hitam |
>>>> *paaNdurasya atapatrasya chchhaayaayaaM  jaritaM  mayaa || 2-2-7*
>>>>
>>>> *7. mayaa= by me, charitaa= being conducted, hitham= for the benefit,
>>>> kR^itsnasya= of all , lokasya= of the people, idam shariiram= this body,
>>>> jaritam= became worn out, chchhaayaayaaM= under the shadow, paandurasya
>>>> atapatrasya= of white umbrella.*
>>>>
>>>> "In conducting the kingdom for benefit of the entire people, my body
>>>> became impaired under *shade of the white umbrella."*
>>>>
>>>> *Jaritham maya chaayaayaa pandurasya atapatrasya:   white hairs seen at
>>>> the corner of the ears shadowed part -denoting the old age ; I read this in
>>>> my 8th standard taught by Ramakrishna sasgtrigal speaaking about the old
>>>> age as dasaratha descreibed. *
>>>>
>>>> praapya varshhasahasraaNi bahuu nyaayuuMshhi jiivataH |
>>>> jiirNasyaasya shariirasya vishraanti mabhirochaye || 2-2-8
>>>>
>>>> *8. asya= this, shariirasya= body, praapya= got, jiivataH= living,
>>>> bahuuni= many, varshha sahasraaNi= thousands of years, aayuuMshhi= of age,
>>>> abhirochaye= I desire, vishraantim= rest.*
>>>>
>>>> "This body has been living for many thousands of years. Hence I desire
>>>> rest."
>>>>
>>>> raajaprabhaavajushhTaam hi durvahaamajitendriyaiH |
>>>> parishraanto.asmi lokasya gurviiM dharmadhuraM vahan || 2-2-9
>>>>
>>>> *9. gurviim= great, lokasya= worldly, dharmadhuraM= weight of
>>>> righteousness, raaja prabhaava justaam= serviced by regal power, durvahaam=
>>>> could not be carried by, ajitendriyaiH= those who have not defeated senses,
>>>> asmi parishraantaH= I am tired, vahan= of carrying.*
>>>>
>>>> "This burden of worldly righteousness is very heavy. This can be
>>>> sustained only by royal power with qualities like courage and valor. A
>>>> person who has no control of senses can not carry this burden. I have
>>>> become tired while carrying this burden of righteousness. "
>>>>
>>>> so.ahaM vishramamichchhaami putraM kR^itvaa prajaahite |
>>>> sannikR^ishhTaanimaan sarvaananumaanya dvijarshhabhaan || 2-2-10
>>>>
>>>> *10. saH aham= (That) I, ichchhaami= desire, vishramam= to rest,
>>>> anumaanya= getting consent (of), sarvaan= all, imaan= these,
>>>> dvijarshhabhaan= best of Brahmans, sannikR^ishhTaan= close at hand,
>>>> kR^itvaa= keeping, putram= son, prajaahite= for the benefit of people.*
>>>>
>>>> "I desire to take rest, entrusting the rule to my son for the benefit
>>>> of the people, after obtaining consent from all those best Brahmans who are
>>>> close to me."
>>>>
>>>> *Sarga 2  *Dasaratha mentions his desire about coronation of Rama
>>>> before the assembly of people. All people in the assembly unanimously and
>>>> delightfully accept it while describing all of Rama's virtues.
>>>>
>>>> *- - -*
>>>>
>>>> Addressing invited gathering in the court, Dasaratha spoke in friendly,
>>>> pleasing and clear terms. In a loud voice resembling that of a
>>>> kettle-drum, resounding the air like a thundering cloud and in a sweet
>>>> splendid and incomparable voice endowed with the characteristics of a
>>>> king's voice, King Dasaratha the lord of men spoke to the kings as follows
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>> "It is well known that my excellent kingdom was ruled by my ancestral
>>>> kings as if it were their son. I have a desire that this entire land which
>>>> was protected by the descendents of Ikshvaaku dynasty, be bestowed
>>>> with goodness and the resultant happiness. Following the path established
>>>> by my ancestors, I have always protected my people with alertness and to
>>>> the best of my ability. In conducting the kingdom for benefit of the entire
>>>> people, my body became impaired under shade of the white umbrella."
>>>>
>>>> "This body has been living for many thousands of years. Hence I desire
>>>> rest. This burden of worldly righteousness is very heavy. This can be
>>>> sustained only by royal power with qualities like courage and valor. A
>>>> person who has no control of senses can not carry this burden. I have
>>>> become tired while carrying this burden of righteousness. I desire to take
>>>> rest, entrusting the rule to my son for the benefit of the people, after
>>>> obtaining consent from all those best Brahmans who are close to me."
>>>>
>>>> Maha kavi Kalidasan describes the same as under:
>>>>
>>>> निर्विष्टविषयस्नेहः स दशान्तमुपेयिवान्।
>>>> आसीदासन्ननिर्वाणः प्रदीपार्चिरिवोषसि॥ १२-१
>>>>
>>>> nirviṣṭaviṣayasnehaḥ sa daśāntamupeyivān|
>>>> āsīdāsannanirvāṇaḥ pradīpārcirivoṣasi || 12-1
>>>>
>>>> 12-1. nirviShTa viShaya snehaH= who enjoyed, senses, pleasures - who
>>>> had enjoyed all pleasures of the senses; dasha antam upeyivAn saH= who had
>>>> attained the declining period of existence, he that   Dasharatha; uShasi
>>>> pradIpa arciH iva= morning time, lamp's, wick, as with; Asanna nirvANaH
>>>> AsIt= at hand, final emancipation, having, he is there.
>>>>
>>>> He who had enjoyed all pleasures of the senses, attaining the declining
>>>> period of existence, and having his final emancipation at hand, Dasharatha,
>>>> was like the flame of a lamp about to extinguish in the early morning, with
>>>> its supply of oil finished and with its wick nearly consumed. [12-1]
>>>>
>>>>     Now Dasharatha, having known all joys/Of sense, and entering on
>>>> life's final stage,/Neared his eclipse, as fades before the dawn/The
>>>> lamplight.
>>>>
>>>> तम् कर्णमूलमागत्य रामे श्रीर्न्यस्यतामिति।
>>>> कैकेयीशङ्कयेवाह पलितच्छद्मना जरा॥ १२-२
>>>>
>>>> tam karṇamūlamāgatya rāme śrīrnyasyatāmiti|
>>>> kaikeyīśaṅkayevāha palitacchadmanā jarā || 12-2
>>>>
>>>> 12-2. jarA = old age; kaikeyI sha~NkayA iva= as if fearing for
>>>> Kaikeyi; palita cChadmanA= in the guise of hoariness, silvery white
>>>> hair; karNa mUlam Agatya = ear, at a corner of, having come; rAme shrIH
>>>> nyasyatAm iti = in Rama, kingdom, may be kept, thus; tam Aha = to him, 
>>>> said.
>>>>
>>>> Old Age under the guise of grey hair came to the root of his ear and,
>>>> as if through fear of Kaikeyi, whispered to him 'let Rama be
>>>> crowned...' [12-2]
>>>>
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> ISCKON and many Krishna trusts had drawn these figures of growth from
>>>> child to the old age  . Adi shankara describes it in Bhaja Govindam.
>>>> Azhwars sung it as "ATRAIKKU IPPODE SOLLIVAITAEN". BHARATHI SAID "WILL i
>>>> FALL DOWN LIKE OTHER OLD AGED PEOPLE LIKE NINE PINS?. VEEZHVAEN ENA
>>>> NINAITHAYO?. DHARMA pathway does not worry the old age or the Prime; the
>>>> illegal acts conspired by villains do contribute to the pains of the old
>>>> age. If the old age is understood then why all the vainglorious acts
>>>> of misdeeds?.
>>>>
>>>>   Rig Vedam Mandala 1 verse 89 speaks at least 10000 years before, the
>>>> old age as under:
>>>>
>>>> ‘*sataminnu sarado anti devahyatra nascakra jarasam tanunam **putraso
>>>> yatra pitaro bhavanti mano madhyareerishatayurgantoh*‘
>>>>
>>>> *“Oh you Gods! A lovely hundred years (Śarad seasons) stand before us
>>>> with in the given span of lifetime. Kindly, do not trouble our mortal
>>>> physical frame, until we reach to a certain age. The next generation can
>>>> take charge and get ready to bear the responsibilities of becoming fathers
>>>> in turn.” **Rigveda 1.89.9*
>>>>
>>>> Ramayana expressed a truth that death is natural to all beings while
>>>> life and living is change. But if a being lives long breathing (
>>>> *svāsan*) healthily then we consider him to be fortunate. In other
>>>> words, if *prāṇa-śakti i*s live, healthy, it is a blessing and the
>>>> person would be able to witness many things for long time upon this Earth.
>>>> Therefore, to grow into the stage of senior citizen for any being born
>>>> on Earth is Fortunate. Here when Valmiki employed the word ‘*Svāsa*’
>>>> he seems to imply health, active life in the granted span of time.
>>>> *Svāsa* is the *prāṇa *and when it is intact activity could be done
>>>> with such vigour and enthusiasm. Further we have a prayer to Rudra 
>>>> ‘*Prathamo
>>>> Daivyo Bhishak’ (SYV 16 Ch).* He needs to bless us long life followed
>>>> by assurances of health and detachments of unwanted strings of
>>>> responsibilities. This would help for all to subsist that period of life to
>>>> go for gains like: friends, health, wealth, and above all sustained memory.
>>>> In *Camaka prasanga* of Yajurveda, we have many articles of life
>>>> programs enlisted. All of them are lending support for hope and optimistic
>>>> aspirations for necessary comfort. Thereby our faculties and activity shall
>>>> not be passive. In principle, we have asked for 35 optimistic desires and
>>>> conditions to go safe with us until the end of being a senior citizen.
>>>> There are hundreds of positive desires to stay and be fruitful to us in
>>>> life. For example, one can see developments in various dimensions of life
>>>> like, family, profession, contacts, religious and spiritual events and
>>>> distinctions. Such long life leads to growth into being a ‘*Śatāyuṣī*’
>>>> (of hundred years). Right from the age eighty and more years of age, the
>>>> person is styled as *Śatāyuṣī* and there are many *āśirvāda* mantras
>>>> Veda and other scriptures to confirm health and peace in the life
>>>> thereafter for the persons in. Prayer is unfailing measure of attainments
>>>> being proved a Boon and Bonus.   KR  IRS 22622
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 at 12:12, gopala krishnan <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OLD AGE
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have visited ISKON temple in Bangalore many times.  About the exit
>>>>> of the temple one thing attracted me was the number of idols kept from
>>>>> birth to death. From infant to dying stage.    How the height
>>>>> increase in young stage, how appear in the beginning of maturity of the
>>>>> person, how height decrease as he comes about 60, the stage he is old, 
>>>>> able
>>>>> to walk only with stick, about 70 how the body shrinks, and bend occurs at
>>>>> middle of body in spite of holding stick, and body further shrinks and
>>>>> collapse leading to death.
>>>>>
>>>>> In spite of diseases or not   at old age many are not able to consume
>>>>> food. Taste buds disappear.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I have specially observed at old age above 75- It becomes a
>>>>> burden even to go to a barber shop and haircut. Daily shaved person 
>>>>> changes
>>>>> to twice a week. Once a month haircutting changes to once in 2/3 months.
>>>>>
>>>>> With all facilities of western toilet and hot water facility and
>>>>> nearby wash basin, feels as burden to clean the teeth, take bath. Even
>>>>> though the person knows, all these things are to be done, the feeling of
>>>>> burden- Oh, I have to do, appears and carry out with hesistation.
>>>>>
>>>>> The person who changed the dress daily, feels burden of wash in
>>>>> washing machine and put for drying and ironing. He changes the dress for
>>>>> going out once a week. Daily wear somehow he manages because of hygenine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most important- Taking food and medicine. Due to hunger he may take a
>>>>> little food, he feels full with small quantity. Aversion is more to take
>>>>> the prescribed pills- opening and taking out and consuming. If somebody
>>>>> keeps ready, aversion is slightly less. The same type of burden feeling 
>>>>> and
>>>>> postponing things if possible even the most important ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> For response by fellow members
>>>>>
>>>>> Gopalakrishnan 22-6-2022.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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>>>
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