Your personal experience, personal "I THOUGhT SO" . your personal satiation etc, need not be an universal truth spoken by elders; if you always think you will far exceed the Kanchi mutt and shastras which speak about souchaam, which is the "PERIOD" THEN that IS the ULTIMATE; AND YOU HAVE TO CORRECT IT. Speaking of which in 100% is meaningless. Neither the science nor the vedic wisdom had approved it. If you refuse to learn, again it is your opinion. OPinion is not true in society. KR IRS 27523
On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 16:41, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > Respected sir, > > Not only my personal experience, but what I observed in my life period of > 20-79 years, with my family, friend's families and relative's families and > my observation before my marriage. > > However I am not for arguments on this matter. I remain from responding > further. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Friday, 26 May, 2023 at 11:33:25 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > 1 Two corrections - 1) do not hold good is more correct than does not > hold good , in my response. 2) If it is trying to understand, spouse the > period will not agree. *It is a never ending process *Gopalakrishnan > 2 I suppose that both know that they are exploring each other with a > view for matrimony and are likely to present an impressive picture which > may turn out to be a disappointment later. Rangarajan > 3 Mostly what you wrote is the output even in the last few decades also > especially in India. Gopalakrishnan > KR As far as Rangarajanji is concerned, it is true that ladies' > mental make up is unfathomable even after years, which is evidenced by > BirthrHari and Tiruvalluvar in Kamathupal. Even 2000 years back, > Tiruvalluvar said, because the husband sneezed, she said whom are you > thinking about? And similar parallels are shown in many kurals. Hence > Rangarajan view is in line with, and yet he did not deny the exploring > each other as erroneous or had never taken place. On the contrary, Mr G > appears to have been confused, as his line of writing is not so clear at > all; rather it appears as if he is expressing his personal experience; > personal opinion is not relevant for the perception of the society ,in > general. "Dating is a stage of romantic relationships practised in > Western societies whereby two people meet socially with the aim of each > assessing the other's suitability as a prospective partner in a future > intimate relationship. It represents a form of courtship, consisting of > social activities carried out by the couple, either alone or with others." > In Sanskrit literature it is,"Saṃbandha (संबन्ध).—*a.* Able, capable.2) Fit, > proper, right.-ndhaḥ 1 Connection, union, association.2) Relation, > relationship.3) Relation, as the meaning of the genitive case.4) Matrimonial > alliance; विक्रियायै न कल्पन्ते संबन्धाः सदनुष्ठिताः (*vikriyāyai na > kalpante saṃbandhāḥ sadanuṣṭhitāḥ*) Kumārasambhava 6.29,3; जनकानां रघूणां > च संबन्धः कस्य न प्रियः (*janakānāṃ raghūṇāṃ ca saṃbandhaḥ kasya na > priyaḥ*) Uttararāmacarita 1.17. 5) Friendly connection, friendship; > संबन्धमाभाषणपूर्वमाहुः > (*saṃbandhamābhāṣaṇapūrvamāhuḥ*) R.2.58. *sam-bandh + a*, 1. Connexion, > union, (*asyedam iti sambandho hānau **duḥkhena gamyate*, The proprietary > connection between them is ascertained only by his grief in losing it) In > Sanga Ilakkiyam it is "KALAVU"; There are two distinctive phases of > love-life. They are, 1. Kalavu (Premarital) 2. Karpu (Marital) So long > as the love-affair remains unknown to the society at large, it is called > Kalavu. The close associates of the lovers are an exception. When it > becomes a public affair, it is treated on a par with marital love. > Tradition divides this phase into three aspects, thematically — the > providential meeting of the lovers, their subsequent meeting in the same > place and their meeting in the secret during the day or night with the aid > of their friends. It is through her the lovers gain union. Her major > objective is to hasten the lovers’ wedding. She consoles the heroine when > she becomes sad when the lover is absent or when he is away in a foreign > land, in quest of wealth needed for their wedded life; she serves as the > prop for the heroine. When parents detect symptomatic change in their > daughter’s physique or deportment, they are prone to attribute it to some > divine interference.Normally, the Velan (priest) ascribes it to Lord > Murukan and so the mother arranges for a ritualistic dance namely > Veriyattu in their house. (Even GODs are not spared in such life). In > Tamil tradition, the love-life of ideal pairs is described in five thematic > divisions of Uripporul. They are as follows: 1. Punartal – Secret union > of the lovers. 2. Pirital – Separation and the suffering associated with > it. > > 3. Iruttal – Patient waiting of the heroine for the return of the hero. > 4. Irankal – Feeling of despair of the woman in the absence of the hero. > 5. The love-quarrel between the lovers. Though these aspects are common > to all the Tinas, convention links a particular Uripporul to a particular > Tinai or geographical unit. According to the convention, the following is > the distribution. Thus dating, sambandham aand Kalavu are all denoting > the relationship and living together; if still cannot understand, pl see > SHAKUNTALAM IN OTT; Kalidasan wrote it; Banan wrote it; so many poets. > There is no right and wrong as G says; there is no then and now; there is > no 1400 AD and 2200AD. Many Thatha Patti even in this group would have been > lovers, lived secretely and later married or depaarted their ways. Hence NO > ONE IS HOLDING AS RIGHT ANYTHING; IT IS FACT OF LIFE. AGAIN THE LOVE REAL > ONE, CHANGES A MAN AND A WOMAN WHERE SO MAY LITTLE SECRETS , PARTS WAYS TO > SACRIFICE A LOT. The factors of woman and man are distinctive, the ways of > the expressions of a male is direct while that of the female is indirectly > expressed; and some might giigle; some might be perplexed; but sambahndham > is that; dating is that; Kalavu and karpu is that. They never change in > decades. The pattis of today or their mo9thers were calling their husbands > by secret sounds because they were luiving jointly. The 70 to 90s might > have had signals like cpffee, choclates etc words of exchange signalling > something even when they were alone. Relationship gived the sstatus of wife > only; parting in relationship avoids the court proceedings. In both cases, > women loses so many things. Kalavum katru Maraa is the word in tamil, > indexed as thieving; no; it is loving. KR IRS 27 5 23 > > > On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 05:22, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Respected sir, > > Mostly what you wrote is the output even in the last few decades also > especially in India. > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Friday, 26 May, 2023 at 03:34:48 pm IST, Rangarajan T.N.C. < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > I suppose that both know that they are exploring each other with a view > for matrimony and are likely to present an impressive picture which may > turn out to be a disappointment later. > > On Friday, 26 May, 2023 at 12:44:22 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dating is misunderstood by many as out of focus; understanding each other > is dating in English. Having sex is not. If that happens then that will > also determine each other's compatibility. Even after marriage , trying to > understand the spouse is also dating . Era is exclusive. KR IRS > > On Fri, 26 May 2023 at 00:07, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Sir, > > For India we were dating in year 70,80,90 does not hold good. Only > arranged marriages. Love marriage?? Dating ???? > Gopalakrishnan > > On Friday, 26 May, 2023 at 09:40:02 am IST, ARR < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > You will Love this.....😍 > > THOUGHT YOU WOULD RELATE TO THIS!! SO SHARING IT. > > ```. *"THE ELDERLY"* > > "We were born in the 40-50-60." > > "We grew up in the 50-60-70's." > > "We studied in the 60-70-80." > > "We were dating in the 70-80-90's." > > "We got married and discovered the world in the 70-80-90's." > > We ventured into the world in the 80-90. > > We stabilized in the 2000s. > > "We got wiser in the 2010s." > > And we are going firmly through 2020's. > > "Turns out we've lived through EIGHT different decades..." > > "TWO different centuries..." > > TWO different millennia... > > "We have gone from the telephone with an operator for long-distance calls > to video calls to anywhere in the world, we have gone from slides to You > Tube, from vinyl records to online music, from handwritten letters to email > and WhatsApp." > > "From live matches on the radio, to black and white TV, and then to HD > TV." > We went to the Video Club and now we watch Netflix. > > 'We got to know the first computers, punched cards, diskettes and now we > have gigabytes and megabytes in hand on our cell phones or IPad."📹💾📀📞 > > We wore dog eared shirts and drain pipes & Flares, oxford shoes & Bermuda > shorts, etc.🤸♀️⛹️♂️🧘🏻♂️🏌️♂️ > > "We dodged infantile paralysis, TB, Polio, meningitis,Swine & Bird flu > and now COVID-19." 🤒🤧😷 > > We rode skates, tricycles, invented cars, bicycles, mopeds, gasoline or > diesel cars and now we ride hybrids or 100% electric vehicles.🛴🛵🏍️🚘 > > "Yes, we've been through a lot but what a great life we've had!" 💃🕺 > > We could be described as “exennials”; people who were born in that world > of the fifties, who had an analog childhood and a digital adulthood. > > "We're kind of Yah-i-seen-it-all." > > Our generation has literally lived through and witnessed more than any > other in every dimension of life. > > It is our generation that has literally adapted to “CHANGE”. > > A big round of applause to all the members of a very special generation, > which will be UNIQUE." > > A precious and very true message that I received from a friend. > > *🏹🏹*TIME DOES NOT STOP* ⌚⌛ > > _"Life is a task that we brought ourselves to do at home._ > > _When you look... it's already six in the evening; when you > look... it's already Friday; when you look... the month is over, when you > look... the year is over; when you look... 50, 60 and 70 years have > passed!_ > _When you look... we no longer know where our friends are._ > _When you look... we lost the love of our life and now, it's too > late to go back._ 🥲 > > Do not stop doing something you like, due to lack of time. Do > not stop having someone by your side, because your children will soon not > be yours, and you will have to do something with that remaining time, where > the only thing that we are going to miss will be the space that can only be > enjoyed with the usual friends.🤝👬💑 > > That time that, unfortunately, never returns..."_ > *The day is today!* > > *WE ARE NO LONGER AT AN AGE TO POSTPONE ANYTHING* > > Hopefully you have time to read and then share this message... or else > leave it for *Later* and you will see that you will never share it! > > Always together > Always united > Always Brothers > Always friends > > Pass it on to your old friends. 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