Respected sir,
Since you clarified my doubt which may not have thought by many, I am adding it
here.
Before Vedavysa Vedas were there. He only codified tthem into Rig, Yajur, and
Sama vedas. After codification some Veda verses taken and added to other Vedas.
Hence appearing same verses in two Vedas.
Since Vedas were already existed even before Veda vyasa, there is no meaning in
telling Rigveda appeared first.
I stand corrected sirGopalakrishnan
On Tuesday, 26 September, 2023 at 01:45:01 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
Unrepentant and consistent blasphemer KR EX-IRS 26 9 23 writes defiantly
against all truths:-
"If someone says that Rigveda stole the from the taitriya brahamana, is an
utter lie, filtered over an old cloth."
The "old cloth" is tied tightly across his own eyes, already blinded partly
through inherited syphilis from his self-identified hooker mother.
He is therefore unable to see that I have provided at least nine examples --
examples nos. 1 - 9 -- of yajur-vedam manthrams filched by r'g-vedam.
The surreptitious filching was done not only from the yajur-veda braahmanam,
but also from the samhitha and from the aaranyakam, as I pointed out.
Running and hiding, as he always does when faced with the glaring undeniable
truth, he pleads:-
"Before pointing out his other errors, ( I shall write later)."
NO, NO, master liar!
Answer NOW whether or not the nine examples I have given are accurate. If not
why, and what are the correct examples.
There is no use at all your trying to talk about the thaiththireeya braahmana
when I have already given out in these columns the full contents of all the
ashtakas and the prapaatakaas of that braahmana which you got gravely wrong
when you wrote without explanation that several parts were "NOT KNOWN" to you.
Dear folks -- the cowardly tuskless, tailless, castrated wild elephant in
"musth", stampeding in the forest, tried to trumpet his irrelevant nonsense at
length when I highlighted the first four examples of yajur-veda manthrams found
illicitly in the r'g-vedam.
But, when I displayed a resplendent array of another five more in this forum,
the beast fell into my trap inescapably, and could only scream piteously
because its bare unshod feet were pierced by the exposed sharp tines of long
iron nails driven into planks and wooden slabs fashioned after the ceremonial
shoes of Lord Murugan's pathinettaam-padi IDUMBAN.
Show no leniency to the blasphemer KR ex-IRS 26 9 23, no matter how he twists
and turns to trick the unwary.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 3:22 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
TB, RV, YV, VR and Narayana 4 (contd)26 9 23 KR IRS
Thereis nothing wrong if verses were quoted; but stating that alone
is superior toall and bragging some meaning, because majority, might not know
anything about,and so one can easily dupe people, is an unpardonable crime,
committed by Narayanasamy.I would not have used some adjectives but for his
lies and more lies and ABUSESSCATTERED ALL OVER, UNSTOPPED TILL DATE. Taitriya
brahamana speaks about a fewrituals and yagnas only while Rig Vedam does not
speak anything procedurally;if so a brahmana followed by the Vedas , if someone
says that Rigveda stolethe from the taitriya brahamana, is an utter lie,
filtered over an old cloth. So before pointing out his other errors, ( Ishall
write later) , lets see how they based these Brahamanas,to later Mathsand
astrology and the astronomy.
2 Prapāṭhaka 1: Sacrifices to theConstellations – Nakshatra Ishti
Anuvāka 1: Light Constellations. Deva Nakshatras
Anuvāka 2: Dark Constellations. – The Yama Nakshatras
Anuvāka 3: Invocatory and oblative Mantras for Sacrificesto the Moon
(Chandramasa ishti), etc., etc.
Anuvāka 4: Sacrifices to the Light Constellations. – DevaNakshatras
Anuvāka 5: Sacrifices to the Dark Constellations. – YamaNakshatras
Anuvāka 6: Sacrifices (ishti) to Chandrama, etc.
3 TaittirīyaBrāhmaṇa (TB) in aṣṭaka 1, prapāṭhaka 1, and anuvāka 2 focuses
on the topic ofnakṣatras in the relation to the yajña. There are differences of
opinion on theemphasis of the yajña discussed is the TB. Some believe the yajña
is always aliteral sacrifice, while others state it is a figurative sacrifice
performed bythe one conducting the sacrificial rite. It is only recent
scholarship that hasfocused on the latter/figurative yajña. The verses within
the anuvākas arecalled khaṇḍikās. There is speculation as to the division
between the light anddark nakṣatras and the dating of the TB. West stated the
anuvaka as dated 300 BCE which is error prone. Bal Gangadhar Tilak in his
book, The Orion,believes the dating of the TB should be around 2350 BCE given
Kṛttikā rose onthe spring equinox at that time. Thus, the light/deva nakṣatras
occur from thestart at the spring equinox and end at the fall equinox. The
dark/yama nakṣatrasstart at the fall equinox and end at the spring equinox.
4 Anuvāka 2 Verse Summary
1. One should offer to Agni among the Kṛttikās. Indeed,that is the nakṣatra of
Agni. Indeed who, having offered to the Kṛttikās andhim [Agni] among one’s own
deity becomes eminent in sacred knowledge. That isindeed the foremost of the
nakṣatras, which are the Kṛttikās. The one whooffers to Agni among the
Kṛttikās, indeed becomes the foremost.
2. Then indeed those honor the nakṣatra of Agni and the gṛhas(dwellings).
Indeed, Prajāpatī is burning in Rohiṇī. You produced Agni. Thedivine ones
offered to that in Rohiṇī. Then indeed those are risen in all thoserisings for
the Rohiṇī of that. The one who offers to Agni in the state ofbeing of Rohiṇī
in Rohiṇī, indeed one flourishes and is rising in all thoserisings.
3. Indeed, those auspicious and virtuous divine oneswished to offer to Agni.
The Agni of those was unkindled and pleasant wealthretreated from those. Then
those offered in the two Punarvasus and indeedpleasant wealth approached those.
Should the one who is auspicious and virtuousin former times become more vile,
he should offer to Agni in the two Punarvasus.Indeed, again the pleasant wealth
returns to him and one becomes auspicious.
4. The one who is caused to desire, “People should bedesiring to give to me,”
he should offer to Agni in the two Pūrvā Phalgunis.Indeed, this is the nakṣatra
of Aryaman, which are the two Pūrvā Phalgunis.Those said, “The one who gives to
him, Aryaman; the people are desiring to giveto him.” 5. He who is caused to
desire, “I should be possessed of fortune,” heshould offer to Agni in the two
Uttarā Phalgunis. Indeed, this is the nakṣatraof Bhaga, which are the two
Uttarā Phalgunis. Indeed, one becomes possessed offortune.
6. Indeed, the Kālakañjas were the named asuras. Thosesought out Agni for the
heavenly world. Man after man laid brick after brickused in preparing the
sacrificial altar. That Indra and Brāhmaṇa laid the brickused in preparing the
sacrificial altar declaring, “This named Citrā is forme.” Those risen in the
heavenly world. Indeed, that Indra laid the brick usedin preparing the
sacrificial altar. Those bestowed. Those who bestowed, thosewere spiders. Those
two rose and fell and those two became divine dogs. The onewho should be
possessed of enemies, he should offer to Agni in Citrā nakṣatra.Indeed,
possessed of enemies having bestowed, it bestows ojas, strength, power,and
vigor, ātman.
7. The Brāhmaṇa should offer to Agni in the vasantā.Indeed, vasanta is the
season of the Brāhmaṇa. Indeed, having offered to thatin one’s own season, one
becomes eminent in sacred knowledge. Indeed, this isthe foremost of the
seasons, which is the vasanta. The one who offers to Agniin the vasantā, indeed
one becomes the foremost. Then one offers towards thatbirth and indeed the
place of the womb.
8. A Rājanya should offer in the grīṣma. Indeed, theseason of a Rājanya is the
grīṣma. Indeed having offered to that in one’s ownseason, one becomes possessed
of power. A Vaiśya should offer in the śarad.Indeed, the śarad is the season of
the Vaiśya. Indeed having offered to that inone’s own season, one becomes one
possessed of cattle.
9. One should not offer to Agni in the two PūrvāPhalgunis. This is indeed the
last night of the year, which are the two PūrvāPhalgunis. Indeed having offered
to Agni at the end of the year, one becomesmore vile.
10. One should offer in the two Uttarās. That is indeedthe first night of the
year. That which are the two Uttarā Phalgunis, are indeedthe foremost of the
year. Having offered to Agni, one becomes more prosperous.
11. Therefore, if one should indeed offer to that at theyajña, then one should
arrive at that. Indeed, that is the prosperity of this.
5 In terms ofverses:
Khaṇḍikā 1
kṛttikāsvagnimādadhīta etadvā agnernakṣatram ।
yatkṛttikāḥ svāyāmevainaṃ devatāyāmādhāya brahmavarcasī
bhavati ।
mukhaṃ vā etannakṣatrāṇām yatkṛttikāḥ ।
yaḥ kṛttikāsvagnimādhatte mukhya eva bhavati ।
One should offer to Agni among the Kṛttikās. Indeed, thatis the nakṣatra of
Agni. Indeed who, having offered to the Kṛttikās and him[Agni] among one’s own
deity becomes eminent in sacred knowledge. That isindeed the foremost of the
nakṣatras, which are the Kṛttikās. The one whooffers to Agni among the
Kṛttikās, indeed becomes the foremost.
Khaṇḍikā 2
atho khalu agninakṣatramityapacāyanti gṛhān ha dāhuko
bhavati ।
prajāpatī rohiṇyāmagnimasṛjata taṃ devā rohiṇyāmādadhata ।
tato vai te sarvānrohānarohan tadrohiṇyai rohiṇitvam ।
yo rohiṇyāmagnimādhatte ṛdhnotyeva sarvānrohānrohati ।
Then indeed those honor the nakṣatra of Agni and the gṛhas(dwellings). Indeed,
Prajāpatī is burning in Rohiṇī. You produced Agni. Thedivine ones offered to
that in Rohiṇī. Then indeed those are risen in all thoserisings for the Rohiṇī
of that. The one who offers to Agni in the state ofbeing of Rohiṇī in Rohiṇī,
indeed one flourishes and is rising in all thoserisings.
……………………………………………..
Khaṇḍikā 10
uttarayorādadhīta eṣā vai prathamā rātriḥ saṃvathsarasya ।
yaduttare phalgunī mukhata eva saṃvathsarasyāgnimādhāya
vasīyānbhavati ।
One should offer in the two Uttarās. That is indeed thefirst night of the year.
That which are the two Uttarā Phalgunis, are indeedthe foremost of the year.
Having offered to Agni, one becomes more prosperous. { Shama sasstry
commentary and R L Kashyap}
KR IRS 26 9 23 WILL CONTINUE >PART 5
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