I enjoyed the jokers' jokes KR ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Laxminarayan Sarma <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 27 Sept 2023 at 08:56 Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] TB, RV, YV, VR and Narayana PART 4 To: gopala krishnan <[email protected]> Cc: iyer <[email protected]>, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
Dear Friend Sri Gopalakrishnan ji. I fully agree with you. Every single mail of yours, including your responses *even* to the uncouth, abusive moron of a pseudo IRS clown is couched in the most courteous, respectful language. And while most guys keep mum against RogerRum's abusive language, they are quick to send gratuitous sdvice to me not to give the clown a taste of his own language. I too respect Shri Narayanaswamy as a fsther figure and I won't allow anybody to abuse him Similarly, i will hit back at anyone who uses abusive language against a humble, dignified, courteous, polite, civilized gentleman like your gooddelf Have a good day. On Wed, 27 Sep, 2023, 7:02 am gopala krishnan, <[email protected]> wrote: > Respected Mr Sarma, > > I am sorry to state that *Mr Narayanaswamy NEVER uses any such SPITTING > language with me. *He is an admirer of my postings and used to oppose > when my points are FELT wrong. He clarifies my doubts mostly through > personal mails. > > Mr Narayanaswamy is known to me from 2004. He is a savior when a few > members tried to trap me defending me, two times. > > He is having vast knowledge, and often I refer dictionary for the meaning > of English words used by him.* In fact he is personal to me and I take > his blessings on important occasions.* I always respect him. In fact if > he uses tough words to me, I think he has such rights on me, who was my > savor when others tried to trap me. > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Tuesday, 26 September, 2023 at 10:07:25 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Gopalakrishnan-ji > > You're a class by yourself. You're humility, your simplicity, your > dignity, your simolicityhl and your polite and respectful language are > something that all of us, *particularly the boastful, arrogant, .mul8sh, > imbecile of a clown, a semi-literate, mentally and socially chalkenged > moron boastfully and boguslyv claiming to be an iArsE functiinary* > > > *Leave alone, Sri Narayanaswamy Anna the demented porcine has formed a > habit of spitting abuses even at you, one of the politest and humblest > gentlemen I've ever come scross * > > > > > *In the Forces we have a robust method of handling such disgusting > characters..* > > On Tue, 26 Sep, 2023, 2:09 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Respected sir, > > Since you clarified my doubt which may not have thought by many, I am > adding it here. > > Before Vedavysa Vedas were there. He only codified tthem into Rig, > Yajur, and Sama vedas. After codification some Veda verses taken and added > to other Vedas. Hence appearing same verses in two Vedas. > > Since Vedas were already existed even before Veda vyasa, there is no > meaning in telling Rigveda appeared first. > > I stand corrected sir > Gopalakrishnan > > > > On Tuesday, 26 September, 2023 at 01:45:01 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear folks > > Unrepentant and consistent blasphemer KR EX-IRS 26 9 23 writes defiantly > against all truths:- > > *"If someone says that Rigveda stole the from the taitriya brahamana, is > an utter lie, filtered over an old cloth."* > > The "old cloth" is tied tightly across his own eyes, already blinded > partly through inherited syphilis from his self-identified hooker mother. > > He is therefore unable to see that I have provided at least nine examples > -- examples nos. 1 - 9 -- of yajur-vedam manthrams filched by r'g-vedam. > > *The surreptitious filching was done not only from the yajur-veda > braahmanam, but also from the samhitha and from * *the aaranyakam, as I > pointed out.* > > Running and hiding, as he always does when faced with the glaring > undeniable truth, he pleads:- > > *"Before pointing out his other errors, ( I shall write later)."* > > NO, NO, master liar! > > *Answer NOW whether or not the nine examples I have given are accurate. > If not why, and what are the correct examples.* > > There is no use at all your trying to talk about the thaiththireeya > braahmana when I have already given out in these columns the full contents > of all the ashtakas and the prapaatakaas of that braahmana which you got > gravely wrong when you wrote without explanation that several parts were > "NOT KNOWN" to you. > > Dear folks -- the cowardly tuskless, tailless, castrated wild elephant in > "musth", stampeding in the forest, tried to trumpet his irrelevant nonsense > at length when I highlighted the first four examples of yajur-veda > manthrams found illicitly in the r'g-vedam. > > *But, when I displayed a resplendent array of another five more in this > forum, the beast fell into my trap inescapably, and could only scream > piteously because its bare unshod feet were pierced by the exposed sharp > tines of long iron nails driven into planks and wooden slabs fashioned > after the ceremonial shoes of Lord Murugan's pathinettaam-padi IDUMBAN.* > > Show no leniency to the blasphemer KR ex-IRS 26 9 23, no matter how he > twists and turns to trick the unwary. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 3:22 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > TB, RV, YV, VR and Narayana 4 (contd)26 9 23 KR IRS > > There is nothing wrong if verses were quoted; but stating that > alone is superior to all and bragging some meaning, because majority, might > not know anything about, and so one can easily dupe people, is an > unpardonable crime, committed by Narayanasamy. I would not have used some > adjectives but for his lies and more lies and ABUSES SCATTERED ALL OVER, > UNSTOPPED TILL DATE. Taitriya brahamana speaks about a few rituals and > yagnas only while Rig Vedam does not speak anything procedurally; if so a > brahmana followed by the Vedas , if someone says that Rigveda stole the > from the taitriya brahamana, is an utter lie, filtered over an old cloth. > So before pointing out his other errors, ( I shall write later) , lets see > how they based these Brahamanas,to later Maths and astrology and the > astronomy. > > 2 Prapāṭhaka 1: Sacrifices to the Constellations – Nakshatra Ishti > > Anuvāka 1: Light Constellations. Deva Nakshatras > > Anuvāka 2: Dark Constellations. – The Yama Nakshatras > > Anuvāka 3: Invocatory and oblative Mantras for Sacrifices to the Moon > (Chandramasa ishti), etc., etc. > > Anuvāka 4: Sacrifices to the Light Constellations. – Deva Nakshatras > > Anuvāka 5: Sacrifices to the Dark Constellations. – Yama Nakshatras > > Anuvāka 6: Sacrifices (ishti) to Chandrama, etc. > > 3 Taittirīya Brāhmaṇa (TB) in aṣṭaka 1, prapāṭhaka 1, and anuvāka 2 > focuses on the topic of nakṣatras in the relation to the yajña. There are > differences of opinion on the emphasis of the yajña discussed is the TB. > Some believe the yajña is always a literal sacrifice, while others state it > is a figurative sacrifice performed by the one conducting the sacrificial > rite. It is only recent scholarship that has focused on the > latter/figurative yajña. The verses within the anuvākas are called > khaṇḍikās. There is speculation as to the division between the light and > dark nakṣatras and the dating of the TB. West stated the anuvaka as dated > 300 BCE which is error prone. Bal Gangadhar Tilak in his book, The Orion, > believes the dating of the TB should be around 2350 BCE given Kṛttikā rose > on the spring equinox at that time. Thus, the light/deva nakṣatras occur > from the start at the spring equinox and end at the fall equinox. The > dark/yama nakṣatras start at the fall equinox and end at the spring > equinox. > > 4 Anuvāka 2 Verse Summary > > 1. One should offer to Agni among the Kṛttikās. Indeed, that is the > nakṣatra of Agni. Indeed who, having offered to the Kṛttikās and him [Agni] > among one’s own deity becomes eminent in sacred knowledge. That is indeed > the foremost of the nakṣatras, which are the Kṛttikās. The one who offers > to Agni among the Kṛttikās, indeed becomes the foremost. > > 2. Then indeed those honor the nakṣatra of Agni and the gṛhas (dwellings). > Indeed, Prajāpatī is burning in Rohiṇī. You produced Agni. The divine ones > offered to that in Rohiṇī. Then indeed those are risen in all those risings > for the Rohiṇī of that. The one who offers to Agni in the state of being of > Rohiṇī in Rohiṇī, indeed one flourishes and is rising in all those risings. > > 3. Indeed, those auspicious and virtuous divine ones wished to offer to > Agni. The Agni of those was unkindled and pleasant wealth retreated from > those. Then those offered in the two Punarvasus and indeed pleasant wealth > approached those. Should the one who is auspicious and virtuous in former > times become more vile, he should offer to Agni in the two Punarvasus. > Indeed, again the pleasant wealth returns to him and one becomes auspicious. > > 4. The one who is caused to desire, “People should be desiring to give to > me,” he should offer to Agni in the two Pūrvā Phalgunis. Indeed, this is > the nakṣatra of Aryaman, which are the two Pūrvā Phalgunis. Those said, > “The one who gives to him, Aryaman; the people are desiring to give to > him.” 5. He who is caused to desire, “I should be possessed of fortune,” he > should offer to Agni in the two Uttarā Phalgunis. Indeed, this is the > nakṣatra of Bhaga, which are the two Uttarā Phalgunis. Indeed, one becomes > possessed of fortune. > > 6. Indeed, the Kālakañjas were the named asuras. Those sought out Agni for > the heavenly world. Man after man laid brick after brick used in preparing > the sacrificial altar. That Indra and Brāhmaṇa laid the brick used in > preparing the sacrificial altar declaring, “This named Citrā is for me.” > Those risen in the heavenly world. Indeed, that Indra laid the brick used > in preparing the sacrificial altar. Those bestowed. Those who bestowed, > those were spiders. Those two rose and fell and those two became divine > dogs. The one who should be possessed of enemies, he should offer to Agni > in Citrā nakṣatra. Indeed, possessed of enemies having bestowed, it bestows > ojas, strength, power, and vigor, ātman. > > 7. The Brāhmaṇa should offer to Agni in the vasantā. Indeed, vasanta is > the season of the Brāhmaṇa. Indeed, having offered to that in one’s own > season, one becomes eminent in sacred knowledge. Indeed, this is the > foremost of the seasons, which is the vasanta. The one who offers to Agni > in the vasantā, indeed one becomes the foremost. Then one offers towards > that birth and indeed the place of the womb. > > 8. A Rājanya should offer in the grīṣma. Indeed, the season of a Rājanya > is the grīṣma. Indeed having offered to that in one’s own season, one > becomes possessed of power. A Vaiśya should offer in the śarad. Indeed, the > śarad is the season of the Vaiśya. Indeed having offered to that in one’s > own season, one becomes one possessed of cattle. > > 9. One should not offer to Agni in the two Pūrvā Phalgunis. This is indeed > the last night of the year, which are the two Pūrvā Phalgunis. Indeed > having offered to Agni at the end of the year, one becomes more vile. > > 10. One should offer in the two Uttarās. That is indeed the first night of > the year. That which are the two Uttarā Phalgunis, are indeed the foremost > of the year. Having offered to Agni, one becomes more prosperous. > > 11. Therefore, if one should indeed offer to that at the yajña, then one > should arrive at that. Indeed, that is the prosperity of this. > > 5 In terms of verses: > > Khaṇḍikā 1 > > kṛttikāsvagnimādadhīta etadvā agnernakṣatram । > > yatkṛttikāḥ svāyāmevainaṃ devatāyāmādhāya brahmavarcasī > > bhavati । > > mukhaṃ vā etannakṣatrāṇām yatkṛttikāḥ । > > yaḥ kṛttikāsvagnimādhatte mukhya eva bhavati । > > One should offer to Agni among the Kṛttikās. Indeed, that is the nakṣatra > of Agni. Indeed who, having offered to the Kṛttikās and him [Agni] among > one’s own deity becomes eminent in sacred knowledge. That is indeed the > foremost of the nakṣatras, which are the Kṛttikās. The one who offers to > Agni among the Kṛttikās, indeed becomes the foremost. > > Khaṇḍikā 2 > > atho khalu agninakṣatramityapacāyanti gṛhān ha dāhuko > > bhavati । > > prajāpatī rohiṇyāmagnimasṛjata taṃ devā rohiṇyāmādadhata । > > tato vai te sarvānrohānarohan tadrohiṇyai rohiṇitvam । > > yo rohiṇyāmagnimādhatte ṛdhnotyeva sarvānrohānrohati । > > Then indeed those honor the nakṣatra of Agni and the gṛhas (dwellings). > Indeed, Prajāpatī is burning in Rohiṇī. You produced Agni. The divine ones > offered to that in Rohiṇī. Then indeed those are risen in all those risings > for the Rohiṇī of that. The one who offers to Agni in the state of being of > Rohiṇī in Rohiṇī, indeed one flourishes and is rising in all those risings. > > …………………………………………….. > > Khaṇḍikā 10 > > uttarayorādadhīta eṣā vai prathamā rātriḥ saṃvathsarasya । > > yaduttare phalgunī mukhata eva saṃvathsarasyāgnimādhāya > > vasīyānbhavati । > > One should offer in the two Uttarās. That is indeed the first night of the > year. That which are the two Uttarā Phalgunis, are indeed the foremost of > the year. 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