Mr. Rajaram,
First admit your folly. I have compiled very clearly and given clarification.
You reacted hurriedly.
I reproduce the portion again below so that other members understand how you
reacted
Clarification
It was told sage Sukha was born after lord Krishna touch him. But he was
educated in King Janaka’s palace. Lord Krishna belongs to Dwapara yuga. KIng
Janaka belongs to Treta Yuga. Reconcile
The timeline is reconciled through a fundamental understanding of royal titles:
"Janaka" was not the personal name of a single person, but an official dynastic
title used by all the rulers of the Mithila (Videha) kingdom. Because of this,
the Janaka who hosted Sage Shuka in the Dwapara Yuga was a completely different
individual than the Janaka who fathered Sita in the Treta Yuga.
The King Janaka of the Ramayana who adopted Sita was named Seeradhwaja Janaka.
He lived generations before the events of the Mahabharata.
The Dwapara Yuga Janaka (Dharmadhwaja): The King Janaka of Mithila who tested
and educated Sage Shuka is identified in the Mahabharata (Shanti Parva) as
Dharmadhwaja Janaka. He was a highly advanced philosopher-king living
concurrently with Sage Vyasa, Lord Krishna, and the Pandavas.
Summary of the Reconciled Timeline
The Divine Birth: Shuka was born in the Dwapara Yuga only after Lord Krishna
personally guaranteed that the illusions of Maya would not affect him.
The Education: As a young man, his father Vyasa sent him to Mithila. He was not
traveling backward in time to the Treta Yuga; he was simply visiting
Dharmadhwaja Janaka, the ruling King of Mithila at that exact time in the
Dwapara Yuga.
This distinction clears up the chronological paradox entirely, aligning his
birth, his education in Mithila, and his final discourse to King Parikshit into
one cohesive lifetime at the dawn of Kali Yuga.
Something is wrong with your eye. Don't blame others for your folly. Now you
know that idiot is no body else than yourself.
Your postings- I am not able to control my laughter. You simply copy paste. If
anything is written, it would be with visible mistakes .
I need not produce any evidence for I am an ITS. Perhaps you have to produce
that you are an IRS. (Because of the very poor presentation and reactions). No
IRS will react foolishly like this.
R. Gopala krishnan ( former ITS 7024)
On Wednesday, 20 May 2026 at 06:54:18 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Poor idiot No one can read and understand what content subject yo write and
shows you want to rebut somehow without balance of mind Rest relaxx and keep
sjhut Or write with content as I do even when I punch you solidly Do it with
content evidence Prove yourself instead of writing some nonsense like a 1st std
student OK Gopala You only must explain how you add ITS as you are not one at
all But I have an history as IRS OK?
On Wed, 20 May 2026 at 17:26, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers
<[email protected]> wrote:
Your foolishness and not concentrated reading is well proved.Read once again
and you will get answer for your query.I doubt how a person like you became an
IRS officer.I sympathise with you.
Yahoo Mail: Search, organise, conquer
On Wed, 20 May 2026 at 16:38, Rajaram Krishnamurthy<[email protected]>
wrote:
Once, Vyasa Maharshi built an ashram on the banks of theSaraswati River and
lived there. One day he was enchanted while observing thejollity of the family
life of the Kalavinka (sparrow) couple. Vyasa Maharshi,who was practising
Brahmacharya, realised the zeal of having a family.
The nest of little birds, the beautiful chicks.
Looking at the affection of that mother and father, feedingtheir children, even
when they are hungry, the fondness of motherhood, cuddling- playing - efforts
taken while teaching to fly - an embarrassment to the kids.
वीक्श्यप्रेमाद्भुतंतत्रबालेचटकयोस्तदा।
व्यासःचीन्नातुरःकामम्मनसासमचिन्नयत्।।
The emergingdisturbance in the mind finally led to the conclusion, that while
animals feelsuch affection towards their children, there's no wrong with human
beingscraving for family life.
The conception of -
'अपुत्रस्यगतिर्नास्तिस्वर्गकोनैवचनैवच'
Got crystallised.
He then moved to mountain 'Meru' and started Tapas with theintent of having a
son.
The intent of Tapas being begetting children. He was inTapas for 100 years.
'May a brave son be born, the courage of whom would beequal to the courage of
'panchabhuta' - fire, earth, water, air, and sky.Steadfast in Tapas with
'Pavanashana' Vrat, the 'Jata' of Vyasa Maharshi shonelike fire! Pleased with
the penance, Lord Shiva showered his blessings.
'A son will be born as you wished, as pure as thePanchabhutas, he will be a
Mahatma'.
The Maharishi returned to the ashram with the promise ofhaving a brave son
soon. Not having a wife, he began Putrakameshti Yaga. But,Paramatma's will was
different. While he was churning the fire drill to attainfire, an Apsarsa named
Ghritachi hovered near the Ashram. Maharshi saw thebeautiful Apsara from the
pantheon of Devatas.
Apprehending her appearance might dishonour the Muni, sheturned herself to a
Shuka (Parrot). Seeing her immense beauty, the desirearose. Aftermath, the
uncontrolled muni's sperm fell into the grinding firedrill. Churning continued.
The fire did not arise between the two fire drills.But born was a dazzling
young boy, similar to Agni.
As Shuka was bornwhile churning in the Arani (fire drill), he was also known
by such names as'Aranigarbhasambhava' and 'Araniya'. He was named Shuka because
of the role ofthe celestial parrot. However, Shuka Maharshi was 'Ayonija'
(Not born from the womb).
Then, the goddessGangadevi appeared before him in a divine form and bathed
him.
'Danda' - 'Krishnajina' were showered from the sky.Gandharvas sung. The whole
world was happy. Though he was 'Sadyojatha'(justborn), he stood, grown-up, then
and there!
Lord Parameshwaraappeared along with Parvati Devi. He lifted Shuka, made him
sit on his lap, andperformed the Upanayana samskara. Indra provided a divine
Kamandala and divineclothing.
Hamsa, Shatapathra, Sarasa, Shukhas (birds) performedPradakshina.
Then, he lived alone in the foothills of the mountain Meruand concentrated in
Tapas. Versed in Veda-Vedanga.
Vyasa Maharshi sent him to Devaguru Bruhaspatifor Adhyayana. This was a study
to reaffirm what he already knew from the Guru.There he learned all the Vedas,
Puranas, History, Rajyashastra, offered GuruDakshina to guru Bruhaspati and
returned to the ashram.
Revered by the Devatas from his constant Tapas turned outto be a great sage
with abundant knowledge, who could advise the Deva-Rishicommunity.
Shuka became interested in the Dharma of Moksha. When heasked about it with
Maharshi Vyasa, he was given the command to study theDharma granthas .
Versed inYoga-shastra, Sankhya-shastra, SakalaDharma shastras. Thus Shuka,
being wellversed in all the Vidyas, was now a sea of Vidyas. Now, Shuka
Maharshi was verycurious to know about Moksha. He asked his father, 'Prabhu,
you are proficientin Moksha Dharma. I request you to preach it in a way that
would bring mepeace'.
Vyasa Maharshidirected various scriptures to study Moksha shastra. He studied
Yoga - Sankhyashastras thoroughly, according to his father's orders.
Vyasa learned that,by virtue of the Vidyas, his son who was equal to Brahma's
brilliance, hadexcelled in Mocha dharma.
K RAJARAM IRS 20526
NB Q HOW SUKHA BRAHMA RISHI EXISTED IN TRETA AND DWAPARA YUGA WAS HE AGED
92LAKH YEARSOLD?
On Wed, 20 May 2026 at 12:40, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty
<[email protected]> wrote:
SAGESHUKA-PART 1
Introduction
The most prominent and spiritually significant son of Sage Vedavyasa is
Shuka(also known as Shukadeva).
While Vyasa also fathered King Dhritarashtra, King Pandu, andVidura to continue
the Kuru lineage, Shuka was his true spiritual heir.
Shuka is highly revered in Hindu tradition as a self-realized sage and the
primarynarrator of the sacred Bhagavata Purana, which he recited to
KingParikshit.
Sage Shuka’s mother
Depending on the scripture or text consulted, the mother ofSage Shuka is
identified as either Vatika or the celestial nymph Ghritachi.
1. Vatika (Pinjala) In accounts like the Skanda Puranaand Brahma-vaivarta
Purana, Sage Vyasa's wife is Vatika (also known asPinjala), who was the
daughter of Sage Jabali.
The Legend: Shuka remained in Vatika's womb for 12 long years because hewas a
fully realized soul and feared the illusionary power of the materialworld
(Maya). He only agreedto be born after Lord Krishna personally guaranteed that
Maya would not touchhim.
2. Ghritachi (TheCelestial Apsara)
In the Mahabharata, Shuka's birth is described as Ayonija(not born from a human
womb).
The Legend: Vyasa was performing intense austerities toobtain a son when the
beautiful celestial maiden (Apsara) Ghritachi appeared. To avoid disturbing the
sage, shetransformed herself into a Shuka (female parrot).
Struck by her beauty, Vyasa accidentally discharged his seedonto the ceremonial
fire-drill sticks (Arani). From this sacred wood, Shuka emerged as a fully
grown,enlightened soul, taking his name from the parrot form Ghritachi had
assumed.
Early life of sage Sukha
The early life of Sage Shuka (Shukadeva) is characterized byhis status as a
Garbha-Shriman—asoul born in a state of complete, advanced spiritual
enlightenment.Unlike ordinary children, he possessed absolute self-realization
and Vedicknowledge from the moment of his birth.
Miraculous Birth andImmediate Growth
Born Fully Developed: In many Puranic accounts, Shuka was born as Ayonija
(not from a humanwomb). He emerged directly from thesacred fire-drill sticks
(Arani) with the brilliance of fire. He did notexperience a traditional
infancy; he stood up as a fully grown, dazzling youngboy immediately upon
manifesting.
Divine Blessings: Upon hisbirth, the goddess Ganga appeared to bathe him,
divine instruments rained downfrom the sky, and celestial beings sang.
The Sacred Thread: Lord Shiva himself manifestedalongside Parvati to perform
Shuka’s Upanayana (sacred thread) ceremony, whilethe king of gods, Indra,
gifted him a divine water pot (Kamandala) and ascetic robes.
Advanced VedicEducation Under Brihaspati:
To structure his innate wisdom, his father Sage Vyasa senthim to the foothills
of Mount Meru to study under Brihaspati, the Guru of theDevas. Shuka mastered
all branches of knowledge and the Vedas with astonishingspeed before returning
to his father's hermitage.
Learning from Vyasa: Shuka became his father's chiefdisciple. Vyasa taught him
the massive Mahabharata epic and the core spiritualtruths that would later form
the foundation of the Bhagavata Purana.
Extreme Asceticism andthe River Incident
Shuka had absolutely no bodily consciousness or awareness ofsocial
conditioning, often wandering the forests completely naked as an Avadhuta. This
ledto a famous testament of his purity:
One day, a group of celestial nymphs (Apsaras) were bathingnaked in a river.
When the young, handsome Shuka walked past, the nymphs remained completely
unbothered and continued playing.
Moments later, his elderly father Vyasa walked by the samespot. The
nymphsimmediately scrambled out of the water to cover themselves in modesty.
When a puzzled Vyasa asked why they hid from an old man butnot his young son,
the nymphs replied that Shuka possessed Sama-drik(equal vision).
He saw no difference between male, female, or nature, whereasVyasa still
maintained a conscious awareness of physical distinctions.
Sage Shuka with kingJanaka
Sage Sukha was sent to King Janaka for Final Validation
Despite his immense wisdom, Shuka maintained a deep, humbledetachment and
sought absolute validation of his state of liberation.
Vyasa sent the young boy on a long foot journey to Mithila tolearn from the
philosopher-king Janaka. King Janaka tested the young sage’s discipline
rigorously,ultimately certifying that Shuka was completely free from the web of
worldlyillusion (Maya) and did not even need to pass through thetraditional
householder stage of life.
Clarification
It was told sage Sukhawas born after lord Krishnatouch him. But he was
educated in King Janaka’s palace. Lord Krishnabelongs to Dwapara yuga. KIng
Janaka belongs to Treta Yuga. Reconcile
The timeline is reconciled through a fundamentalunderstanding of royal titles:
"Janaka" was not the personalname of a single person, but an official dynastic
title used by all the rulersof the Mithila (Videha)kingdom. Because of this,
the Janaka who hosted Sage Shuka in theDwapara Yuga was a completely different
individual than the Janaka who fatheredSita in the Treta Yuga.
The King Janaka of the Ramayana who adopted Sita was named Seeradhwaja Janaka.
Helived generations before the events of the Mahabharata.
The Dwapara Yuga Janaka (Dharmadhwaja): The King Janaka ofMithila who tested
and educated Sage Shuka is identified in the Mahabharata(Shanti Parva) as
DharmadhwajaJanaka. He was a highly advanced philosopher-king
livingconcurrently with Sage Vyasa, Lord Krishna, and the Pandavas.
Summary of theReconciled Timeline
The Divine Birth: Shuka was born in the Dwapara Yuga only after Lord
Krishnapersonally guaranteed that the illusions of Maya would not affect him.
The Education: As a young man, his father Vyasa sent him toMithila. He was not
traveling backward in time to the Treta Yuga; he was simply visiting
DharmadhwajaJanaka, the ruling King of Mithila at that exact time in the
Dwapara Yuga.
This distinction clears up the chronological paradoxentirely, aligning his
birth, his education in Mithila, and his final discourse to KingParikshit into
one cohesive lifetime at the dawn of Kali Yuga.
Sage Shuka with robesin king Janaka’s palace
When Sage Shuka first arrived at the palace of King Janaka,he was wandering
naked as a Digambara (one who is "clad in the sky" ornaked due to absolute
detachment from bodily identity).
However, during his multi-day stay at the palace,he was given and wore
beautiful clothes.
The progression of how Shuka's clothing changed during thisfamous meeting in
Mithila follows a distinct sequence of events:
1. Arrival (Naked) Shuka walked all the way from his father'shermitage to
Mithila completely naked, having transcended all societal normsand physical
self-consciousness. When he reached the palace gates, King Janaka purposefully
instructed hisguards to ignore him to test his patience. Shuka sat outside
thegates for days, unbothered, naked, and silent.
2. The Royal Reception(Dressed in Luxury)
After Shuka passed the initial test of patience, King Janakaordered his
ministers to welcome him with the highest honors.
The Transition: The palace ministers took Shuka inside,treated him to fragrant
baths, and dressed him in wonderful, luxurious royalrobes.
2The Test: For several days, Shuka lived insplendid rooms surrounded by luxury
and beautiful damsels. He wore theseexquisite clothes but remained completely
detached, showing neither attractionto the luxury nor anger at the previous
neglect.
3. The UltimateRealization
When King Janaka finally granted Shuka an audience, Shuka wasdressed in the
garments provided by the palace. Janaka looked at the youngsage—who could wear
royal garments without an ounce of pride, just as he couldwalk naked without an
ounce of shame—and officially certified himas a Jivanmukta (a soul fully
liberated while still in a physical body).
Things happened when sage Shuka came back to hisfather sage Vyasa from Mithila
When Sage Shuka returned to his father Vedavyasa fromMithila, the reunion was
marked by profound spiritual validation, intensefatherly joy, and the ultimate
transmission of sacred knowledge. Having hisstate of liberation officially
certified by King Janaka, Shuka returned withabsolute inner peace (Parama
Shanthi).
The events that unfolded upon his return occurred in distinctphases:
1. The Joyous Reunion andValidation
Shuka travelled back to the Himalayas on foot and found hisfather Vyasa sitting
with his chief disciples (such as Paila, Jaimini, andVaishampayana) studying
the Vedas.
The Prostration: Shuka, now glowing with an even greaterinner radiance
(Brahma-tejas), humbly prostrated before his father and narratedeverything King
Janaka had told him about the core philosophy of liberation(Moksha).
Vyasa's Reaction: Hearing that his son hadsuccessfully passed every impossible
test of detachment, Vyasa was overcomewith profound joy. He warmly embraced
Shuka, proud that his son had surpassedeven his own level of spiritual
attainment.
Transmission of the BhagavataPurana
Now that Shuka was universally recognized as a fully realizedmaster
(Jivanmukta), Vyasa chose this exact moment to hand down his greatest,most
profound work.
Vyasa had already composed the Mahabharata, but his mindhad remained restless.
Under the guidance of Sage Narada, he had then composed the Bhagavata Purana
(SrimadBhagavatam)—a text entirely dedicated to divine love and supreme
devotion(Bhakti).
Vyasa taught this massive,holy scripture to Shuka. Because Shuka was already
completely detached from the material world,he was the only soul pure enough to
perfectly absorb and later transmit theabsolute essence of this Purana to
humanity.
I will continue,starting with marriage and children inthe next posting.
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