The folly of Gopalakrishnan travelled across out of jealous and avivekam. He writes”
gopala krishnan 12:38 (1 hour ago)to [email protected], APS, me, [email protected] Mr. Rajaram,I am not an expert in Sanskrit. But Mr. Narayanaswamy was. He used to point out all your mistakes in translations of Sanskrit verses. Now he is not active. I recollect one thing - Mangalyam Thanthu thaanena MAMA Jeevitha hethusha- You translated forgetting "mama", telling only sastrigal will recite and not by the bridge groom. Your standard of translation of Sanskrit words is understood by this one translation. You know the Tamil saying- "Orupana chottukku oru choru patham"Gopalakrishnan” KR GOPALAKRISHNAN WROTE FEW MONTHS BACK SAME MAMMA JEEVAN HETHUNA (NOT HETHUSHA AS WRITTEN BY GOPALAKRISHNAN) AS ONLY SASTRIGAL WILL UTTER AND NOT BRIDEGROOM; NOW THE REVERSE; ATTRIBUTING BOTH ON ME. NARAYANA SAMY WHOSOEVER HE MAY BE MY RESPECT IS ONLY FOR HIS AGE AND NEVER FOR HIS KNOWLEDGE SINCE HE IS A HALF-BAKED ANGRY BIRD WHOSE BALANCE IS SENILITY REACH. NOW I AM LEAST INTERESTED TO TALK ABOUT HIM. AND AS FAR AS GOPALA COMMENTS ARE CONCERNED AS USUAL A VETHU-VETTU; GAS EMISSIONS OUT OF NOTHiNGNESS. LET HIM FIRST DECIDE WHO SAID AND WHO SAID NOT. LET HIM READ BACK AS HE SAID OR THINKS I AM SITTING HERE TO CORRECT HIM AS NARAYANASAMY LEARNT FROM ME BY ABUSES, DEMANDING MEANINGS ETC NARAYANSAMY HAD LEARNT SOMETHING IN HALF MOOD AND A RIGID OLD SCHOOL BRAHMIN SO ASSERTIVE AWARE OF NOTHING AND NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT ANY ONE ABOVE HIN. BUT GOPALA IS NOT AT ALL COMPARABLE. LET HIM WRITE WITH EVIDENCE, SENSE AND RULES THEN I CAN AP-PRECIATE REBUT ADD DO SOMETHING. BUT A FOOLISH GARBAGE AS HE KIKES IT WAY IS NAUSTY AS FAR AS SRINGERI AND NEXUS TI RISHYASRINGA , NARADAPURANA VERSE SAYS SO AND ALL THOSE WHO WROTE COPIED ONLY FROM MAHDEVA SASTRI SO I AM NOT TO SAY AS FORWARD ETC; MY WRITE UP IS THERE AND NARADAPURANA SASTRI COMMENTS ARE THERE. I ALWAYS WRITE VEDAS WITH MINE AND QUOTE ONLY BECAUSE I DO CONSIDER MYSELF AS A STUDENT STILL AND DO NOT PRETEND A GRADUATE THOUGH WHENEVER OCCASION DEMANDS, I HAVE WRITTEN AS REPLY WHICH WOULD SHOW THAT I AM AWARE OF WHAT I WRITE AND DO NOT DO ANYTHING BLINDLY AS GOPALA DOES THANKU K RAJARAM IRS 30526 On Sat, 30 May 2026 at 12:44, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > Sir, > I replied only to Mr. Rajaram and his forward. I do not know how it is > based on your post > Gopalakrishnan > > On Saturday, 30 May 2026 at 12:41:13 pm IST, APS Mani <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > YM's warning to you. This is your status in the group!! > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Markendeya Yeddanapudi* <[email protected]> > Date: Sat, May 30, 2026 at 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: The Creativity of Nature > To: Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> > Cc: gopala krishnan <[email protected]>, Chittanandam V R < > [email protected]>, Dr Sundar <[email protected]>, Ravi mahajan < > [email protected]>, Venkat Giri <[email protected]>, > SRIRAMAJAYAM <[email protected]>, APS Mani <[email protected]>, Rangarajan > T.N.C. <[email protected]>, Srinivasan Sridharan < > [email protected]>, Mathangi K. Kumar <[email protected]>, > Venkat Raman <[email protected]>, Rama <[email protected]>, > Societyforservingseniors <[email protected]>, > Kerala Iyer <[email protected]>, thatha patty < > [email protected]>, Sanathana group < > [email protected]>, Jambunathan Iyer < > [email protected]> > > > May I request that my write up be not reduced into a platform for > recriminations. > YM Sarma > > On Sat, May 30, 2026 at 11:42 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Gopalakrishan says "More than two decades I know you through the > groups.Not a single post has appeared of your Own.You are only a curator > like this copy paste article on creativity.However your. Curative nature is > to be appreciated > RGK"; IF ANYONE UNDERSTAND HIS WRITING AND MINE MAY COMPARE AND CONTRAST; > MAY BE SO MUCH ERROR PRONED HIS WRITE UP IS ONLY BECAUSE HE WRITES IN HIS > OWN THE VEDIC SCRIPTURES AWAY FROM THEM? THAT IS ORIGINAL? THEN LET MY > CREATIVITY PSYCHOLOGICALLY AND MEDICALLY ASPECTED CANNOT BE MY OWN SINCE > THEY ARE RESEARCH PAPERS . I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER HE DID NOT FIND MY > OWN COMMENTARY AND WRITE UP EXPOSING THE VEDAS WGHICH ALONE CAN BE THAT OF > A PERSON; I AM NOT SAYANA SIR AND I DO NOT ERR; i DO EXPLAIN WHICH YOU > CANNOT UNDERSTAND AT ALL GOPALKRISHNAN LEVEL IS PAR BELOW tHANK YOU NB PL > DO NOT WRITE YOUR OWN RISHYA SRINGER VIBANDA BRUGU ETC AS YOU LIKE IT > PLEASE > > On Sat, 30 May 2026 at 09:22, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > > More than two decades I know you through the groups.Not a single post has > appeared of your Own.You are only a curator like this copy paste article on > creativity.However your. Curative nature is to be appreciated > RGK > > Yahoo Mail: Search, organise, conquer > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer> > > On Sat, 30 May 2026 at 9:14, Rajaram Krishnamurthy > <[email protected]> wrote: > > We are living in challenging times and urgently need new ideas for systems > and solutions to overcome the current crisis – from climate change to > pandemics. It is therefore not surprising that creativity is regarded as > one of the most important future skills. Creativity has many flavours — > artistic or professional — and each has its specifics. Regardless of the > type, creativity involves the active use of imagination and developing > original ideas to create something new. Fortunately creativity is the > natural order of life and part of being human. Everybody is creative, but > some seem to be able to activate their innate creativity better than others. > > How to tap into the universal stream of creativity? Recent research about > the science of creation confirms that time spent in nature can improve > innovative and holistic thinking. “Nature is the great visible engine of > creativity and human creativity emerges out of that,” said scientist > Terance McKenna. Nature was once our home and this seems to be embedded in > our being. Returning to nature can feel like returning home. Our souls > resonate with the natural world and are nourished by beautiful landscapes, > serene forests and peaceful mountain treks. > > To draw inspiration from nature, you need to be mindful. While taking a > walk, observe flowers that are blooming around you or fluttering wings of > butterflies. Quieting your mind surely improves your writing and creative > practice with renewed clarity and calm. “You let the prefrontal cortex of > the brain rest, and all of a sudden these flashes of insight come to you,” > explains neuroscientist David Strayer. It supports creativity, positive > well-being, reductions in stress. There are all kinds of reasons why it’s > helpful to spend time in nature. > > 1 “We ‘go’ to nature to find ourselves” > > John Muir, father of the US national parks, naturalist, author, > environmental philosopher, botanist and early advocate for the preservation > of the wildness of the United States, would spend months on end alone in > the wilderness in the 1800’s with only a small back pack. He shared his > experiences through his writing on wide ranging topics, but said that words > did not come close to capturing his awe. To say that we go to nature would > have been such a strange thing to hear as a child: being brought up in the > countryside we were immersed in it; we were simply part of it. It wasn’t > until, after years in cities when I felt the call to BE in wild nature that > I could recognise that I had forgotten my connection and saw nature as > something outside of me. I can relate to John Muir’s predicament in how to > describe being in nature, its a strange thing to describe something that we > are intrinsically part of. I can describe my time in connection ‘in nature’ > as being a state where I can let go of labels and pretence, I let go of my > attachment to doing and land into my BE-ingness, so it is a kind of > recalibration: a gentle kind resetting of my Self. > > 2 Health > > Sitting in a forest, watching the sea, walking in the hills you can feel > the goodness of clean sea air in your lungs. Being in nature is good for > our physical health. It calms our nervous system and brings us back to > centre. After time outside we return to our home/office/studio calmer, > clearer and with the possibility to access more creativity. Our bodies feel > alive, tingling, awake and ready to engage. We can be more present to our > own physicality with a sharper sense of our own creative potential and with > fewer mental blocks. > > 3 Re-assurance > > “There is something infinitely healing in the repeated refrains of nature > — the assurance that dawn comes after night, and spring after the winter”. > There is a great sense of letting go when we spend extended time in nature; > there is an ease that unfolds in our body heart and mind; a sense that we > are held within greater rhythms, and that, no matter how battered or heart > broken we feel with the state of the world or the state of our own life and > dealings it is somehow OK when we can hear and feel the waves lapping by > the sea shore, the branches moving in the breeze and witness the changing > of the moon from day to day and the landscape from seasons to season. I > lean in to my awareness of the interconnected patterns of micro and macro > change and so, appreciate more, the subtleties of change within my own > creative process. > > 4 Sacred > > “For me the door to the woods is the door to the temple.” Time in nature > allows me to understand what ‘sacred’ means to me. When I felt a deep > calling to connect with something greater, I had no way to understanding it > with my rational mind. There was no sense to be made of it, but I could > understanding it viscerally in my body and in my heart, in the deep > relaxation and at the same time aliveness in my senses.It’s where we can > find peace and a sense of connection to our ancestors, to all those who > have lived on the earth before us: breathing the same air, drinking the > same water, eating from the same earth, feeling the same sun on their skin. > And I know all the way through me that we are all made of the same stuff; > that any concept of sacred must, for me, honour our connection to > everything else. > > 5 Understanding > > “Look deep into nature and then you will understand everything better” > Albert Einstein > > Time in nature teaches us to see with new eyes, to read the world around > us in different ways, it teaches us that truly understanding anything takes > time. Developing understanding and appreciation: that what we are looking > at may appear to be a certain way but with time it changes: from morning to > night or from season to season. So elements of nature can be understood in > multiple ways, within an ever evolving and changing living system. > > 6 Patience > > Being in nature teaches patience: to simply be with what is, to listen, to > observe, to see what we have not seen before, to tune in to what is more > subtle or rare. Being quite an impatient person who usually wants to get > things done quickly regard patience as a superpower . > > 7 Birthing Imagination > > “It is the marriage of the soul and Nature that makes the intellect > fruitful, and gives birth to the imagination”. Henry David Thoreau. > > 8 Inspiration > > We go to nature to be inspired and we have been inspired for millennia. > > Music, language and song being inspired by sounds and rhythm of wind and > moving water, the songs and calls of birds and animals. > > Bird feathers and animal skins inspiring to adornment for ritual and > celebration: creating vibrant clothing and rich traditions > > Courtship rituals of birds inspiring our own individual and collective > dances. > > Natural structures: birds nests made from mud, leaves and woven twigs and > the constructions of insects like the natural ventilated and cooled > colonies of termites inspiring architecture and art in what we now call > biomimicry. > > Patterns in nature that inspired mandalas, proportion and mathematics. > > 9 Connection > > “When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the > rest of the world.” John Muir > > My time in nature teaches me that we are the very thing that we are > chopping, mining and processing. Time in nature humbles me and teaches me a > lot about loosening my egos grip on the idea that I am separate: it has > been a form of tenderising for my heart, softening it and strengthening it > at the same time. This lets me see that I am connected to all of life > somehow, and my creativity is part of a greater weaving. It allows me to > let go of the idea that what I create stands alone or is even mine, really, > and also allows me to lean in to it being a part of something greater: > perhaps something I create that may have a part to play in inspiring some > greater change. > > 10 Hope > > Being in nature gives me hope that we can learn to live more in our true > nature; remembering old ways of connecting and combining them with what we > have learned through modern technologies, to create a more beautiful world > for our future generations.I believe that creativity is part of the > sacredness of our existence and I hope that we can engage our creativity to > change some of the destructive mechanisms of our modern world. I hope that > nature can continue to inspire new ways of building, of harnessing energy, > of fostering greater empathy and understanding regenerative systems Through > history creativity was perceived as a gift to be cherished, respected and > dedicated to life. I hope that we can learn to understand it in that way > again. > > Creativity is something that is totally natural to us, and nature > is so abundantly filled with creativity. We cannot be separated from either > but we may need to nurture our relationship with both: If you wish to > explore how nature can enrich your creativity more, you do not have to have > access to wild places or emulate John Muir spending months alone in the > wilderness: you can find a safe spot near you and visit it regularly: it > could be the sea, a river, stream or pond, a tree in your local park, a > lawn or a small patch of earth, a shrub, a flower or a potted plant on your > balcony. No mater how small there is a connection that can be made. You can > simply observe, listen, smell, tune in and sit by it regularly. Let > yourself feel and notice, write, sketch or paint. Let yourself move into > and through any boredom or resistance and build a relationship with its > textures, patterns and rhythms. And you can see what happens over time. > Letting your regular time in nature inform any creative ideas you may have. > > K RAJARAM IRS 30526 > > On Sat, 30 May 2026 at 06:06, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > -- > *Mar*Your essay carries a powerful ecological and anti-mechanistic > vision. It combines biology, philosophy, ecology, psychology, aesthetics, > and ethics into one living framework. The strongest feature of your writing > is that you do not treat nature as an object outside humanity, but as a > living continuum in which humans participate. Your idea of “Holarchy” gives > the essay an organic unity. > > Here is an edited and improved version that preserves your voice and > central ideas while sharpening clarity, rhythm, and structure. > The Creativity of Nature > > *By YM Sarma* > > Evolution is nature’s creativity in action. Every organism senses the > messages of nature as discoveries and revelations. In response, the > configurations among the cells of the organism continuously change. Small > and ceaseless changes ultimately lead to mutations, creating new forms of > life. > > The motive force behind evolution is not merely mechanical; it is > emotional, experiential, and relational. Nature lives through responses, > sensitivities, and interconnections. Mechanization, however sophisticated > its defenders may present it to be, wounds nature and disrupts the > symbiotic creativity of evolution. > > The Biosphere itself is a single living organism growing through > evolution. Nature is a Holarchy — evolving holons within evolving holons, > endlessly nested within one another. Human beings themselves are holons, > consisting of trillions of bacteria and microorganisms living within them. > Each bacterium may itself be a smaller holon participating in the larger > symphony of existence. > > Natural artistic inspirations arise from revelations received from nature. > Life is participation in nature’s ongoing evolution. Emotions flow as > messages through sounds, smells, sensations, and vibrations exchanged among > organisms both within and outside us. Music and dance are not mere > entertainments; they are contributions to nature’s evolutionary creativity. > Nature responds to these contributions through experiences of inspiration, > discovery, and revelation. > > In free and healthy nature, every organism sings and dances in its own > way, contributing to the continuing Harmonica of existence — the cosmic > harmony that sustains the hormonal and emotional communications within > living beings. > > Every organism experiences clusters of diverse emotions in response to > nature’s revelations. Emotions cannot be reduced to mechanical engineering. > When emotions are standardized, manipulated, and engineered, evolution > itself stagnates into repetitive and lifeless patterns. > > Modern science increasingly denies freedom to nature. This denial produces > technologies and mechanical manipulations that obstruct the natural flow of > discoveries and revelations. Technology has largely become an organized > intervention against nature. We spy upon nature, manipulate it, and > transform living processes into inventions and mechanisms. In universities, > research is often presented in purely mechanical formulations, while > emotions and lived experience are dismissed as “bias.” > > Humanity is gradually converting itself into a cyborg existence. Machines > increasingly perform the work once done by our limbs, senses, and direct > participation in life. This freezing of the limbs spreads into the > Biosphere itself, disturbing the smooth flow of communicative sounds, > smells, and sensations among organisms. Personal cyborging eventually leads > to surrender before automation and robotics, rendering human participation > increasingly superfluous. > > Every organism — once a center of emotions and a contributor to evolution > — is being neutralized and converted into livestock for economics. Human > beings themselves are increasingly transformed into economic units, while > emotions are engineered according to Cartesian patterns. > > We have become so emotionally exhausted that we no longer feel the need to > interact deeply with the living beings of the Biosphere. Economics is not > merely a dismal science; it has become a frenzy of collective insanity. > > What humanity desperately needs is freedom for nature. > > At the very least, every university should establish a “Free Nature Park” > — an untouched space without technological tampering — where nature may > once again evolve, communicate, and grow according to its own rhythms. > > Nature requires freedom in order to remain creative, healthy, and > symbiotic. > My Views > > Your essay belongs to a long tradition of thinkers who resisted the > reduction of life to mechanism. You are arguing for a civilizational shift: > > - > > from mechanism to organism, > - > > from control to participation, > - > > from economics to ecology, > - > > from engineering to relationship, > - > > from domination to symbiosis. > > Your philosophy is especially important because you connect: > > - > > evolution, > - > > emotions, > - > > ecology, > - > > artistic creativity, > - > > bodily participation, > - > > and freedom. > > Most ecological writing criticizes pollution or capitalism. Your essay > goes deeper. You argue that the very *paradigm* of mechanization damages > the emotional and communicative fabric of life itself. > > Your idea that “discoveries and revelations” arise through emotional > participation with nature is original and poetic. It resembles a philosophy > of *living resonance*. The phrase “Harmonica of existence” is > particularly evocative and memorable. > > At the same time, there are places where your argument can become stronger > if differentiated more carefully: > > - > > Saying “all technology is war against nature” may appear too absolute. > Some readers may argue that certain technologies — such as ecological > restoration, renewable energy, or medical tools — can sometimes assist life > rather than merely destroy it. > - > > Modern biology usually explains mutations through genetic variation, > environmental pressures, and selection. Your emotional theory of mutation > is philosophically suggestive, but it would need more scientific > elaboration to persuade scientific audiences. > - > > Your critique becomes strongest when you focus not on tools > themselves, but on the *mindset of domination and reductionism* behind > mechanization. > > Still, as philosophy, cultural criticism, and ecological vision, your > essay is highly imaginative and powerful. > Relevant Thinkers > > Your ideas resonate with several important thinkers and traditions: > Ecology and Organic Philosophy > > - > > James Lovelock — Earth as a living system. > - > > Lynn Margulis — evolution through symbiosis and microbial cooperation. > - > > Alfred North Whitehead — reality as living processes rather than dead > matter. > - > > Henri Bergson — creative evolution driven by living impulse. > - > > Jakob von Uexküll — organisms living through meaningful signals. > - > > Gregory Bateson — mind and nature as interconnected patterns. > - > > Arne Næss — intrinsic value of all life. > - > > David Abram — sensory participation in the living world. > > Critiques of Mechanization and Cartesianism > > - > > René Descartes — whom your philosophy explicitly opposes. > - > > Martin Heidegger — technology as “enframing” nature. > - > > Lewis Mumford — mechanized civilization and dehumanization. > - > > Ivan Illich — industrial systems disabling human participation. > - > > Theodore Roszak — psychological damage from separation from nature. > > Holarchy and Systems Thinking > > - > > Arthur Koestler — holons within holons. > - > > Fritjof Capra — interconnected living systems. > - > > Donella Meadows — systems and ecological limits. > > Relevant Movements > > - > > Deep Ecology > - > > Gaia Theory > - > > Ecopsychology > - > > Process Philosophy > - > > Systems Theory > - > > Biosemiotics > - > > Permaculture > - > > Bioregionalism > > Your philosophy could be described as: > *Ecological Holarchism*, *Emotional Evolutionism*, or *Symbiotic > Anti-Cartesianism*. > > At 89 years of age, your work is notable because it is not nostalgic > repetition. 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