Hi Bruce, Overlaying scraps onto the centreline...? So what I do is to save each passage section (a day's surveying data) into a file called passage_name.th, and compile this with a dedicated thconfig.passage_name.tp (for some reason I typed my thconfig files as tp, but same effect as your .thc). This produces the raw passage_name.XVI, passage_name.3d, passage_name_extended.XVI, and now the passage_name_LRUD.pdf files in a subfolder of my main survey. I review these files to debug my .th file, typically sorting out Left-Right issues for reverse legs.
My experience is that the LRUD applies to the "To" station. In order to generate the first "From" station LRUD, I manually create a Dummy station, 1cm away from the true starting station, as follows: E.g. Data from to compass clino length left right up down # 1 2 45 10 6.00 0.0 2.0 2.0 0.5 # station 1 LRUD 1 1a 45 10 0.01 0.0 2.0 2.2 0.5 # station 1 LRUD 1a 2 45 10 5.99 2.0 0.0 2.1 0.6 # station 2 LRUD I also find that reverse legs, or dog-legs are not handled well by LRUD. This is not a criticism of Therion, but a confusion with the surveyors. It is not so simple to say that the LRUD applies to the direction of the survey, because the LRUD applies to a station, which may have legs taken both From and To it. Therefore, our convention is to record LRUD in the direction of the passage. If we turn around, the passage Left and Right remain where they were! I then need to disentangle this in the .th file in order to get the XVI looking correct. I then create passage-name.th2, insert th XVI, insert station points over the centreline, and draw the walls over the LRUD with reference to any sketches we have produced. It's that simple. For stage 2 of our surveying project, we plan to print out these "rough" surveys onto waterproof paper, and then re-draw the cave onto these sheets while actually standing in the cave. For that purpose, a pdf output of the XVI is all we need! - Ben -----Original Message----- From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton Sent: 12 November 2007 19:09 To: therion at speleo.sk Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) Hi Ben My first encounter with Therion was about two weeks ago, and the things that work well for me just seem to keep getting better, but there are some (rather critical) things that still escape me, like overlaying scraps onto the centreline. I thought I'd see what you had done in the hope it would shed some light on my problems... Anyway, your query. The email system scrambled your *.th listing, but I think I patched it up OK. (Perhaps it's better to attach the file, then we can open it directly with just one double click.) My understanding is that the LRUD data apply to the 'from' station, not the 'to' station. But I see your point, your plots, and the plot attached seem to indicate something different is going on. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Cooper, Ben Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 9:37 p.m. To: therion at speleo.sk Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) Well, I've now upgraded, but am getting strange results. See attached PDFs. The raw XVI are OK, but in NewPassage_CL.PDF, each LRUD parallelogram seems to be flipped over. Below is the raw NewPassage.th file. Note that the centreline output of the entire cave (UF_CL.pdf) handles NewPassage slightly better (but still not perfectly) than NewPassage on its own. Am I doing something wrong? - Ben encoding utf-8 survey NewPassage -title "New Passage" centreline equate 35 at Leg1 51 at Leg2 endcentreline survey Leg1 # From Boulder Choke to Walk The Plank centerline flags duplicate # duplicate of Boulder Choke legs for reference in th2 file. extend right data normal from to length compass clino left right up down bc32 bc33 2.33 201 -54 1.1 0.3 0.5 0.3 #33 (Through Easy Squeeze) data normal from to length compass clino bc33 bc34 3.07 239 -39 data normal from to length compass clino left right up down bc34 bc35 2.49 231 -57 0.9 0.3 0.5 0.6 #35 bc35 bc36 2.13 194 -37 0.4 0 0.2 0.8 #36 bc36 bc37 2.5 141 +06 0.5 0 0.8 0 #37 bc37 bc38 3.74 139 -09 1.6 0.2 0.7 1.5 #38 bc38 bc39a 2.75 136 -10 0 1.15 1.6 1.0 #39 bc39a 1 0.01 136 -10 6 1.15 5 1.0 #1 LRUD Est flags not duplicate extend left data normal from to length compass clino 1 bc40 11 052 +43 extend right mark 1 painted data normal\ from to length compass clino left right up down 1 2 29.46 153 -25 4.3 2.4 4.8 1.4 #2 station 2 "Emergency Dump" 2 3 16.09 144 -04 3.4 3.0 2.9 1.4 #3 3 4 11.44 142 -11 4.2 2.0 0.9 1.6 #4 4 5 9.48 142 -29 1.5 1.3 3.4 1.2 #5 5 6 6.08 166.5 -18 0.2 0.4 2.2 0.8 #6 6 7 3.22 154 -09 2.0 0.8 0.5 0.5 #7 7 8 1.75 140 -04 1.7 0.6 1.1 1.0 #8 8 9 9.27 178.5 -12.5 1.2 1.3 0.5 1.0 #9 9 10 1.6 159.5 -20.5 0.2 1.3 0.6 0.6 #10 10 11 2.95 156 -11 0.9 0.3 1.0 0.2 #11 11 12 5.36 131 +03 1.5 1.2 6.7 0.5 #12 12 13 8.17 124.5 +06 0 0.7 6.2 1.6 #13 13 14 8.37 132 +7.5 0.9 2.7 2.2 1.8 #14 14 15 8.81 147 -10 0.8 2.1 5.4 1.4 #15 15 16 5.75 235 -10.5 0 1.0 5.6 1.0 #16 16 17 6.54 272 +2 0.7 0 5.1 1.3 #17 17 18 2.81 245 -19 0 0.3 0.4 0.6 #18 18 19 7.54 262 0 0 1.7 5.1 0.8 #19 19 20 6.03 263 -2 1.0 0.6 3.6 0.7 #20 20 21 2.26 205 -2 0 0.6 0.6 0.5 #21 20 20a 4 325 0 0 1 2 0.5 #20a estimated LRUD 21 22 4.58 162 +9 0.7 0 5.2 1.3 #22 22 23 4.15 144 -4 1.0 0.2 0.5 1.0 #23 23 24 13.68 140.5 -2.5 1.5 1.5 4.9 0.6 #24 24 25 8.61 216 +6 0 2.3 1.5 1.8 #25 25 26 4.58 304 -13 1.1 0.9 1.8 1.0 #26 26 27 12.65 281 +1 0.4 1.2 2.2 1.3 #27 27 28 5.59 304 -5 0.8 1.2 1.2 0.9 #28 28 29 5.46 275 -6 0.2 1.0 0.5 0.4 #29 29 30 3.63 312 +2 0.4 0 2.7 0.5 #30 #31 30 10.16 103 -3.5 0.5 0.8 0.2 1.4 #31 30 31 10.16 283 +3.5 0.5 0.8 0.2 1.4 #31 REVERSED 31 32 4.48 276 +3 1.0 0.4 1.6 1.4 #32 32 33 8.42 286 -5 1.5 0.8 1.8 0.7 #33 33 34 14.82 271 +1 0.3 2.2 3.2 1.2 #34 34 35 20.06 290.5 +2 2.5 1 2 1.5 #35 estimated LRUD mark 35 painted # ==51 at Leg2 endcentreline endsurvey # Leg1 -----Original Message----- From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Cooper, Ben Sent: 11 November 2007 19:56 To: therion at speleo.sk Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) Aha - thanks Stacho. I'm still on 0.5.0. Upgrading now...! Regards, - Ben -----Original Message----- From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak Sent: 08 November 2007 19:53 To: therion at speleo.sk Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) Just few remarks: 1. Did you use latest version of therion (0.5.1)? It is a new feature in that version. 2. You may also use other colors that gray. Just add color map-fg [100 50 50] to your layout. Numbers mean intensities of red, green and blue. 3. Options in layout and export command are the same. In layout, you can use color map-fg 50 and in export command option -layout-color map-fg 50 HTH, S. Bruce Mutton wrote: > Ben > I tried Stacho's suggestion, and it worked fine, although I think he > abbreviated the syntax of the export command a bit much. Here's my more > verbose version... > > layout bruce-map-export > north true > scale 1 500 > base-scale 1 500 > units metric > > page-grid on > grid-size 100 100 100 metres > # layout-map-header 0 0 s #causes error? > legend on > statistics explo all > statistics topo all > statistics carto all > statistics copyright all > debug on > endlayout > > export map -projection plan -layout bruce-map-export \ > -layout-color map-fg 90 \ > -output SurveyPlan.pdf -fmt pdf > > Try this Ben. The 90 gives a passage that is more lightly shaded than 50. > Good Luck > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On Behalf > Of Cooper, Ben > Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 3:44 a.m. > To: therion at speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps > > Hi Stacho, > I've been wanting to get print-outs of XVI, too, so I am verry > interested in your recommendation, below. I've tried it, but this is > the result I get: only the centreline is visible, not LRUD. > - Ben Cooper > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On > Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak > Sent: 06 November 2007 12:24 > To: therion at speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps > > > ...<text removed>... > > Stacho's Example: > > source > map centerline-map > my-survey > endmap > endsource > > select centerline-map > export map.pdf -layout-color map-fg 50 -layout-scale 1 500 > > > ... where my-survey is the name of top-level survey. > > ...<text removed>... > > Regards, S. > > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion at speleo.sk http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion at speleo.sk http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
