Fantastic, thanks! Perhaps this is a new feature? I first learnt Therion three versions ago, so am not always up to date with the latest iteration of The Book. - Ben
-----Original Message----- From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Ladislav Blazek Sent: 13 November 2007 11:04 To: therion at speleo.sk Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) Hi, please read the therion book... You can specify LRUD for both points (From, To). Just use syntax like this: Data from to compass clino length left right up down 1 1a 45 10 0.01 [0.0 1.0] [2.0 1.5] [2.2 1.8] [0.5 0.2] where first number is for "From" point and second one is for "To" point. L. Cooper, Ben napsal(a): > My experience is that the LRUD applies to the "To" station. In order to > generate the first "From" station LRUD, I manually create a Dummy > station, 1cm away from the true starting station, as follows: > > E.g. > Data from to compass clino length left right up down > # 1 2 45 10 6.00 0.0 2.0 2.0 0.5 # station 1 LRUD > 1 1a 45 10 0.01 0.0 2.0 2.2 0.5 # station 1 LRUD > 1a 2 45 10 5.99 2.0 0.0 2.1 0.6 # station 2 LRUD > > I also find that reverse legs, or dog-legs are not handled well by LRUD. > This is not a criticism of Therion, but a confusion with the surveyors. > It is not so simple to say that the LRUD applies to the direction of the > survey, because the LRUD applies to a station, which may have legs taken > both From and To it. Therefore, our convention is to record LRUD in the > direction of the passage. If we turn around, the passage Left and Right > remain where they were! I then need to disentangle this in the .th file > in order to get the XVI looking correct. > > I then create passage-name.th2, insert th XVI, insert station points > over the centreline, and draw the walls over the LRUD with reference to > any sketches we have produced. It's that simple. For stage 2 of our > surveying project, we plan to print out these "rough" surveys onto > waterproof paper, and then re-draw the cave onto these sheets while > actually standing in the cave. For that purpose, a pdf output of the > XVI is all we need! > - Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On > Behalf Of Bruce Mutton > Sent: 12 November 2007 19:09 > To: therion at speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) > > Hi Ben > My first encounter with Therion was about two weeks ago, and the things > that > work well for me just seem to keep getting better, but there are some > (rather critical) things that still escape me, like overlaying scraps > onto > the centreline. I thought I'd see what you had done in the hope it > would > shed some light on my problems... > > Anyway, your query. The email system scrambled your *.th listing, but I > think I patched it up OK. (Perhaps it's better to attach the file, then > we > can open it directly with just one double click.) > > My understanding is that the LRUD data apply to the 'from' station, not > the > 'to' station. But I see your point, your plots, and the plot attached > seem > to indicate something different is going on. > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On > Behalf > Of Cooper, Ben > Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 9:37 p.m. > To: therion at speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) > > Well, I've now upgraded, but am getting strange results. See attached > PDFs. The raw XVI are OK, but in NewPassage_CL.PDF, each LRUD > parallelogram seems to be flipped over. Below is the raw NewPassage.th > file. Note that the centreline output of the entire cave (UF_CL.pdf) > handles NewPassage slightly better (but still not perfectly) than > NewPassage on its own. > > Am I doing something wrong? > - Ben > > > encoding utf-8 > survey NewPassage -title "New Passage" > centreline > equate 35 at Leg1 51 at Leg2 > endcentreline > survey Leg1 # From Boulder Choke to Walk The Plank > centerline > flags duplicate # duplicate of Boulder Choke legs for reference in > th2 file. > extend right > data normal from to length compass clino left right up down > bc32 bc33 2.33 201 -54 1.1 0.3 0.5 > 0.3 #33 (Through Easy Squeeze) > data normal from to length compass clino > bc33 bc34 3.07 239 -39 > data normal from to length compass clino left right up down > bc34 bc35 2.49 231 -57 0.9 0.3 0.5 > 0.6 #35 > bc35 bc36 2.13 194 -37 0.4 0 0.2 > 0.8 #36 > bc36 bc37 2.5 141 +06 0.5 0 0.8 > 0 #37 > bc37 bc38 3.74 139 -09 1.6 0.2 0.7 > 1.5 #38 > bc38 bc39a 2.75 136 -10 0 1.15 1.6 > 1.0 #39 > bc39a 1 0.01 136 -10 6 1.15 > 5 1.0 #1 LRUD Est > flags not duplicate > > extend left > data normal from to length compass clino > 1 bc40 11 052 +43 > > extend right > mark 1 painted > data normal\ > from to length compass clino left right up > down > 1 2 29.46 153 -25 4.3 2.4 4.8 > 1.4 #2 > station 2 "Emergency Dump" > 2 3 16.09 144 -04 3.4 3.0 2.9 > 1.4 #3 > 3 4 11.44 142 -11 4.2 2.0 0.9 > 1.6 #4 > 4 5 9.48 142 -29 1.5 1.3 3.4 > 1.2 #5 > 5 6 6.08 166.5 -18 0.2 0.4 2.2 > 0.8 #6 > 6 7 3.22 154 -09 2.0 0.8 0.5 > 0.5 #7 > 7 8 1.75 140 -04 1.7 0.6 1.1 > 1.0 #8 > 8 9 9.27 178.5 -12.5 1.2 1.3 0.5 > 1.0 #9 > 9 10 1.6 159.5 -20.5 0.2 1.3 0.6 > 0.6 #10 > 10 11 2.95 156 -11 0.9 0.3 1.0 > 0.2 #11 > 11 12 5.36 131 +03 1.5 1.2 6.7 > 0.5 #12 > 12 13 8.17 124.5 +06 0 0.7 6.2 > 1.6 #13 > 13 14 8.37 132 +7.5 0.9 2.7 2.2 > 1.8 #14 > 14 15 8.81 147 -10 0.8 2.1 5.4 > 1.4 #15 > 15 16 5.75 235 -10.5 0 1.0 5.6 > 1.0 #16 > 16 17 6.54 272 +2 0.7 0 5.1 > 1.3 #17 > 17 18 2.81 245 -19 0 0.3 0.4 > 0.6 #18 > 18 19 7.54 262 0 0 1.7 5.1 > 0.8 #19 > 19 20 6.03 263 -2 1.0 0.6 3.6 > 0.7 #20 > 20 21 2.26 205 -2 0 0.6 0.6 > 0.5 #21 > 20 20a 4 325 0 0 1 2 > 0.5 #20a estimated LRUD > 21 22 4.58 162 +9 0.7 0 5.2 > 1.3 #22 > 22 23 4.15 144 -4 1.0 0.2 0.5 > 1.0 #23 > 23 24 13.68 140.5 -2.5 1.5 1.5 4.9 > 0.6 #24 > 24 25 8.61 216 +6 0 2.3 1.5 > 1.8 #25 > 25 26 4.58 304 -13 1.1 0.9 1.8 > 1.0 #26 > 26 27 12.65 281 +1 0.4 1.2 2.2 > 1.3 #27 > 27 28 5.59 304 -5 0.8 1.2 1.2 > 0.9 #28 > 28 29 5.46 275 -6 0.2 1.0 0.5 > 0.4 #29 > 29 30 3.63 312 +2 0.4 0 2.7 > 0.5 #30 > #31 30 10.16 103 -3.5 0.5 0.8 0.2 1.4 #31 > 30 31 10.16 283 +3.5 0.5 0.8 0.2 > 1.4 #31 REVERSED > 31 32 4.48 276 +3 1.0 0.4 1.6 > 1.4 #32 > 32 33 8.42 286 -5 1.5 0.8 1.8 > 0.7 #33 > 33 34 14.82 271 +1 0.3 2.2 3.2 > 1.2 #34 > 34 35 20.06 290.5 +2 2.5 1 2 > 1.5 #35 estimated LRUD > mark 35 painted # ==51 at Leg2 > endcentreline > endsurvey # Leg1 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On > Behalf Of Cooper, Ben > Sent: 11 November 2007 19:56 > To: therion at speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) > > Aha - thanks Stacho. I'm still on 0.5.0. Upgrading now...! > Regards, > - Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On > Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak > Sent: 08 November 2007 19:53 > To: therion at speleo.sk > Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's) > > Just few remarks: > > 1. Did you use latest version of therion (0.5.1)? It is a new feature > in that version. > > 2. You may also use other colors that gray. Just add > color map-fg [100 50 50] > to your layout. Numbers mean intensities of red, green and blue. > > 3. Options in layout and export command are the same. In layout, you can > use > > color map-fg 50 > > and in export command option -layout-color map-fg 50 > > HTH, S. > > Bruce Mutton wrote: >> Ben >> I tried Stacho's suggestion, and it worked fine, although I think he >> abbreviated the syntax of the export command a bit much. Here's my > more >> verbose version... >> >> layout bruce-map-export >> north true >> scale 1 500 >> base-scale 1 500 >> units metric >> >> page-grid on >> grid-size 100 100 100 metres >> # layout-map-header 0 0 s #causes error? >> legend on >> statistics explo all >> statistics topo all >> statistics carto all >> statistics copyright all >> debug on >> endlayout >> >> export map -projection plan -layout bruce-map-export \ >> -layout-color map-fg 90 \ >> -output SurveyPlan.pdf -fmt pdf >> >> Try this Ben. The 90 gives a passage that is more lightly shaded than > 50. >> Good Luck >> Bruce >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On > Behalf >> Of Cooper, Ben >> Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 3:44 a.m. >> To: therion at speleo.sk >> Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps >> >> Hi Stacho, >> I've been wanting to get print-outs of XVI, too, so I am verry >> interested in your recommendation, below. I've tried it, but this is >> the result I get: only the centreline is visible, not LRUD. >> - Ben Cooper >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] On >> Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak >> Sent: 06 November 2007 12:24 >> To: therion at speleo.sk >> Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps >> >> >> ...<text removed>... >> >> Stacho's Example: >> >> source >> map centerline-map >> my-survey >> endmap >> endsource >> >> select centerline-map >> export map.pdf -layout-color map-fg 50 -layout-scale 1 500 >> >> >> ... where my-survey is the name of top-level survey. >> >> ...<text removed>... >> >> Regards, S. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion at speleo.sk >> http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > -- Ladislav Blazek _______________________________________________ Therion mailing list Therion at speleo.sk http://www.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net