On Jun 24, 1:17 am, Tobias Beer <beertob...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This is interesting indeed, though a bit of a hassle for predominantly
> single file users. As an alternative, I find that the sitemap-view of
> mptw's tagglyTagging offers quite a powerful (and fast) tree
> too ...without collapsing images or any external files.

TagglyTagging is powerful but for users not familiar TiddlyWiki it can
provide far too much information that distracts from the application a
particular TiddlyWiki might be designed for.  However it is a
wonderful TiddlyWiki builder's and TiddlyWiki power user's tool.

TagglyTagging requires good spacial recognition and some understanding
not only of a TiddlyWiki's structure but an understanding of
TagglyTagging itself. For those unfamiliar with these things it can
become a maze to get lost in.

By the way TWT-Treeview is a single file and does not rely on any
external files or images for working in Firefox, Chrome and Opera. For
those who can put up with the glacial speed of IE then they can put up
with external images that are conveniently supplied because IE doesn't
recognize embedded images.

> Also, saving changes to a tiddler seems to be quite time consuming on 
> http://twt-treeview.tiddlyspot.com...I guess that is due to
> refreshing the mainmenu after every change. So, if you're fine with
> having it updated only when refreshed, I recommend to not make any
> changes to the main menu section in the page template. Though this
> would, of course, result in a more "static" version of "el arbol" ;o)

All TiddlyWikis refresh the MainMenu when it's changed and seldom has
anyone noticed them as quite time consuming. In TWT-Treeview it is
forced to refresh because it can be silently changed by adding items
to it through Treeview. Also if auto save is enabled it saves after
every edit which can be changed.

It is self defeating to try to build a tree structure without seeing
immediate results.  To have to put work into adding topics or branches
to the menu and then save and reload to see them is silly. The results
are instantaneous with the PageTemplate the way it was designed.  I
would strongly disagree that changing it speeds anything up.

Thanks for your evaluation it's good to get feedback.

Morris Gray
http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/
The ultimate TiddlyWiki



On Jun 24, 1:17 am, Tobias Beer <beertob...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 18 Mai, 07:38, "Mark S." <throa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > A few days ago Morris Gray pointed out thetreeviewplugin code for
> > jquery developed by the folks athttp://www.dynamicdrive.com/.
>
> > I've been hoping for some capability like this would come along, so
> > I've taken a first stab at implementing it:
>
> >  http://treeview.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> > There are things that aren't quite perfect, and maybe some of the TW
> > wizards here can step in. I wasn't able to find the code that formats
> > tooltip titles on links, so I'm using  a simplified expression. And
> > the menu doesn't refresh itself automatically. The way I implemented
> > it might be a bit kludgey, too, in some eyes.
>
> > But it shows that it can be done.
>
> > -- Mark
>
> This is interesting indeed, though a bit of a hassle for predominantly
> single file users. As an alternative, I find that the sitemap-view of
> mptw's tagglyTagging offers quite a powerful (and fast) tree
> too ...without collapsing images or any external files.
>
> On 18 Mai, 09:05, Morris Gray <msg...@symbex.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Ahh my little acorn,
>
> > You have done well.  Each journey begins with the smallest of
> > steps.... if one doesn't get rooted along the way :-)
>
> > Here is some plant food for your little bonsai.  Sprinkle this into
> > your PageTemplate and your tree will grow automatically with each
> > tiddler tier.
>
> > <div id='mainMenu' refresh='content' force='true' tiddler='MainMenu'></
> > div>
>
> > Keep up the good work, acorn.
>
> > Morris Grayhttp://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com
> > A TiddlyWiki help file for beginners
>
> > On May 18, 3:38 pm, "Mark S." <throa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > A few days ago Morris Gray pointed out thetreeviewplugin code for
> > > jquery developed by the folks athttp://www.dynamicdrive.com/.
>
> > > I've been hoping for some capability like this would come along, so
> > > I've taken a first stab at implementing it:
>
> > >  http://treeview.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> > > There are things that aren't quite perfect, and maybe some of the TW
> > > wizards here can step in. I wasn't able to find the code that formats
> > > tooltip titles on links, so I'm using  a simplified expression. And
> > > the menu doesn't refresh itself automatically. The way I implemented
> > > it might be a bit kludgey, too, in some eyes.
>
> > > But it shows that it can be done.
>
> > > -- Mark
>
> Also, saving changes to a tiddler seems to be quite time consuming 
> onhttp://twt-treeview.tiddlyspot.com...I guess that is due to
> refreshing the mainmenu after every change. So, if you're fine with
> having it updated only when refreshed, I recommend to not make any
> changes to the main menu section in the page template. Though this
> would, of course, result in a more "static" version of "el arbol" ;o)
>
> Tobias.
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