Mohammad,
Pre-populating the user fields, ect. was a thought of the moment, but I
agree with you on pre populating fields. I suggest as an alternative
instead of spending the time and energy to build an interface in Refnotes.
Just add an enhancement to import .bib files, and provide a short list of
links to editors so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. I also included
on tutorial site as well so rank beginners such as myself can use to
self-educate from an easy to read environment. I wouldn't recommend people
to have to dig into the actual documentation. It's overkill and more likely
to turn people off when they see it. I hope this helps! and thank you for
taking the time to listen to me.
*Tutorial:*
https://www.latex-tutorial.com/tutorials/bibtex/
*Free Online BibTEX editor:* https://truben.no/latex/bibtex/
*Free Cross platform editors: *
https://www.jabref.org (Apple OS X, Windows, Linux)
https://miktex.org/
*Native Linux*
Linux KDE gui: bibTEX (through the package manager for the distro)
Linux Gnome gui:
Setzer (https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-latex),
Marker (https://github.com/fabiocolacio/Marker),
*Aggregate listings *of multiple editors in a single place
10 Best Latex editors for 2021 :
https://beebom.com/best-latex-editors/
https://botw.org/top/Computers/Software/Typesetting/TeX/BibTeX/
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 11:23:45 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
> Hi Douglas,
>
> I will hopefully work on Refnotes documentation to help newbies find
> their way easily. But just to answer your questions above
>
> 1. Refnotes has three small tools
> 1.1. abbreviations (to insert abbreviations and create glossary table)
> 1.2. footnotes (to insert numbered footnote in the tiddler body and create
> at the bottom of the tiddler full length footnotes)
> 1.3. bibliography (to insert references, and create bibliography table)
>
> To use it:
>
> 1. drag and drop the Refnotes to your wiki
> 2. install Bibtex importer (not required but automate things)
>
> i. Normally people use some libraries to get the bibliography data. Almost
> any library support bibtex format, so you need to export bibliography data
> as .bib files
> ii. import the bibliography data (.bib files to your wiki. Bibtex Importer
> gets the data and generates bibtex entry tiddlers with all required
> fields (automatically)
> iii. you can now cite using simple Refnotes macro
>
> That's all.
>
> Refnotes plugin does not manually create bibtex entries nor encourage to
> do that! Bibliography data can be retrieved from a library like Google
> Scholar, sciencedirect.com, library of congress, ...
>
> But as an enhancement, I can add a macro to get data from the user and all
> the user to create a bibtex entry manually
>
> Hope this helps you and answers some of your questions.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:20 AM Douglas Glenn <dgle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow, it shows up now (bibtex importer). I don't know how I missed it. I
>> had tried to install it by downloading each script in the Content tab on
>> your Refnote site and importing it on my end. I managed to create one
>> Bibliography tiddler, but only after observing how you had done it in your
>> examples (AMADEO1995949). Try as I may, the only Bibtex reference that
>> syntax was on bib...@tug.org, written by Oren Patashnik 9 Feb 1988
>> titled BibTEXing. With examples like:
>>
>> @INPROCEEDINGS(no-gnats,
>> crossref = "gg-proceedings",
>> author = "Rocky Gneisser",
>> title = "No Gnats Are Taken for Granite",
>> pages = "133-139")
>> . . .
>> @PROCEEDINGS(gg-proceedings,
>> editor = "Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter",
>> title = "The Gnats and Gnus 1988 Proceedings",
>> booktitle = "The Gnats and Gnus 1988 Proceedings")
>>
>> Since I only obtained a BA, I had not gone further and possibility being
>> exposed to the syntax for a Masters or Doctorate degree. Research I learned
>> and think I do fairly well with, left me ignorant of how it should be
>> expressed. There was a Bibtex editor available to me, but it outputs:
>>
>> [image: Bibtex.jpg]
>>
>> Would I just start each field name with bibtex- (output field here) ? The
>> example I spoke of, a few fields have bibtex-(field name) but others do
>> not. Please excuse my ignorance but the Refnotes Tiddlywiki only increased
>> my confusion. It's aimed at a more experienced Tiddlywiki user familiar
>> with filters, ect, but for a raw novice such as myself who simply wants to
>> install it and run with it, but it isn't explicitly clear that its output
>> is predicated on a field, value pair vs within the editor.
>>
>> I downloaded the reference above from the Refnotes site as a tid and
>> imported it. Happily enough the fields used in the example now show under
>> User Fields for selection. Consider this an enhancement request for
>> pre-populating those fields under Bibtex Field separator/category when the
>> plugin is installed. The addition of these as a selection under Bibtex
>> fields (not User fields) would be invaluable to a novice such as myself. It
>> may or may not be doable because simply deleting the plugin (under removing
>> plugins instructions on the Tiddlywiki.com) would likely leave the field
>> selections still available in the field selection dropdown. Perhaps if you
>> had another entry under the plugin Content label, you could create the
>> addition of a shadow tiddler that would contain these fields and link them
>> to the core fields in order to remove the fields when removing the plugin.
>>
>> As an IT support/admin and BA from the late 80's to present day, One
>> lesson I learned that has served me best. As a naturally lazy individual
>> I'd always sought to find methods that would automate my job, or reduce any
>> support load I had to handle. That lesson was to 'dumb down' the
>> documentation to the end users level. All too many times documentation is
>> non-existing or lacking. I hated writing documentation, but as I discovered
>> it made my job so much easier I succumbed to the habit of creating it to
>> meet the need to keep support calls with the end user or the Help Desk so
>> the calls didn't need to be pushed up to my level to handle.
>>
>> A little more detail in your documentation in addition to pre populating
>> the bibtex fields would greatly increase the use, popularity and value of
>> your plugin. I mean no offense, but I do admit being lazy.
>>
>> Have a great day safely with you and yours.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 11:44:24 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Douglas,
>>> Many thanks for your feedback. I have corrected the issues. The
>>> official plugins can be installed from $:/ControlPanel, Plugins tab using
>>> "Get more plugins". These plugins are distributed with Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> Refnotes will have an overhaul after TW 5.1.23 is released. Notably
>>> support for different styles (book, journal, dissertation, website,
>>> conference paper,...) better view template for bibtex entry and Node.js
>>> version are among new features. I will then correct the documentation and
>>> tutorial.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Refnotes
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 5:38 AM Douglas Glenn <dgle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mohammad,
>>>>
>>>> Your tutorial says:
>>>>
>>>> It is recommended to use the official *Bibtex Importer* plugin for
>>>> using with bibliography code.
>>>>
>>>> I cannot find it.
>>>> *Note:* The sidebar Bibtex tab can also be used for details of
>>>> bibliography macro.
>>>> I don't have this tab.
>>>>
>>>> Now I just have to learn how to use it
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 8:58:31 PM UTC-5 Douglas Glenn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings Mohammad,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a FYI if you have the time to correct them anytime soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the link in your recent entry of Refnotes in the Tiddlywiki under
>>>>> the Resources tiddler, you updated it 20 Nov 2020, but but the link
>>>>> referenced:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/
>>>>> This resulted in a 404 error.
>>>>>
>>>>> It should point to https://kookma.github.io/TW-Refnotes/
>>>>> This link works.
>>>>>
>>>>> On that page, the installation link did had the same 404 error
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed someone had made a change an hour before I logged onto
>>>>> Github yesterday. The video link was still there when I visited but I
>>>>> note
>>>>> it's gone today.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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