Mohammad, Thank you for the feedback you gave me and the super quick response.
I appreciate your time very much. On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote: > Hi Douglas, > > Many thanks for your feedback. I added a ticket to the discussion board: > https://github.com/kookma/TW-Refnotes/discussions/8 > > Best wishes > Mohammad > > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:23 PM Douglas Glenn <dgle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Mohammad, >> >> Pre-populating the user fields, ect. was a thought of the moment, but I >> agree with you on pre populating fields. I suggest as an alternative >> instead of spending the time and energy to build an interface in Refnotes. >> Just add an enhancement to import .bib files, and provide a short list of >> links to editors so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. I also included >> on tutorial site as well so rank beginners such as myself can use to >> self-educate from an easy to read environment. I wouldn't recommend people >> to have to dig into the actual documentation. It's overkill and more likely >> to turn people off when they see it. I hope this helps! and thank you for >> taking the time to listen to me. >> >> *Tutorial:* >> https://www.latex-tutorial.com/tutorials/bibtex/ >> >> *Free Online BibTEX editor:* https://truben.no/latex/bibtex/ >> >> *Free Cross platform editors: * >> https://www.jabref.org (Apple OS X, Windows, Linux) >> https://miktex.org/ >> >> *Native Linux* >> Linux KDE gui: bibTEX (through the package manager for the distro) >> >> Linux Gnome gui: >> Setzer (https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-latex), >> Marker (https://github.com/fabiocolacio/Marker), >> >> *Aggregate listings *of multiple editors in a single place >> 10 Best Latex editors for 2021 : >> https://beebom.com/best-latex-editors/ >> https://botw.org/top/Computers/Software/Typesetting/TeX/BibTeX/ >> >> On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 11:23:45 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote: >> >>> Hi Douglas, >>> >>> I will hopefully work on Refnotes documentation to help newbies find >>> their way easily. But just to answer your questions above >>> >>> 1. Refnotes has three small tools >>> 1.1. abbreviations (to insert abbreviations and create glossary table) >>> 1.2. footnotes (to insert numbered footnote in the tiddler body and >>> create at the bottom of the tiddler full length footnotes) >>> 1.3. bibliography (to insert references, and create bibliography table) >>> >>> To use it: >>> >>> 1. drag and drop the Refnotes to your wiki >>> 2. install Bibtex importer (not required but automate things) >>> >>> i. Normally people use some libraries to get the bibliography data. >>> Almost any library support bibtex format, so you need to export >>> bibliography data as .bib files >>> ii. import the bibliography data (.bib files to your wiki. Bibtex >>> Importer gets the data and generates bibtex entry tiddlers with all >>> required fields (automatically) >>> iii. you can now cite using simple Refnotes macro >>> >>> That's all. >>> >>> Refnotes plugin does not manually create bibtex entries nor encourage to >>> do that! Bibliography data can be retrieved from a library like Google >>> Scholar, sciencedirect.com, library of congress, ... >>> >>> But as an enhancement, I can add a macro to get data from the user and >>> all the user to create a bibtex entry manually >>> >>> Hope this helps you and answers some of your questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Mohammad >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:20 AM Douglas Glenn <dgle...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Wow, it shows up now (bibtex importer). I don't know how I missed it. I >>>> had tried to install it by downloading each script in the Content tab on >>>> your Refnote site and importing it on my end. I managed to create one >>>> Bibliography tiddler, but only after observing how you had done it in >>>> your >>>> examples (AMADEO1995949). Try as I may, the only Bibtex reference that >>>> syntax was on bib...@tug.org, written by Oren Patashnik 9 Feb 1988 >>>> titled BibTEXing. With examples like: >>>> >>>> @INPROCEEDINGS(no-gnats, >>>> crossref = "gg-proceedings", >>>> author = "Rocky Gneisser", >>>> title = "No Gnats Are Taken for Granite", >>>> pages = "133-139") >>>> . . . >>>> @PROCEEDINGS(gg-proceedings, >>>> editor = "Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter", >>>> title = "The Gnats and Gnus 1988 Proceedings", >>>> booktitle = "The Gnats and Gnus 1988 Proceedings") >>>> >>>> Since I only obtained a BA, I had not gone further and possibility >>>> being exposed to the syntax for a Masters or Doctorate degree. Research I >>>> learned and think I do fairly well with, left me ignorant of how it should >>>> be expressed. There was a Bibtex editor available to me, but it outputs: >>>> >>>> [image: Bibtex.jpg] >>>> >>>> Would I just start each field name with bibtex- (output field here) ? >>>> The example I spoke of, a few fields have bibtex-(field name) but others >>>> do >>>> not. Please excuse my ignorance but the Refnotes Tiddlywiki only increased >>>> my confusion. It's aimed at a more experienced Tiddlywiki user familiar >>>> with filters, ect, but for a raw novice such as myself who simply wants to >>>> install it and run with it, but it isn't explicitly clear that its output >>>> is predicated on a field, value pair vs within the editor. >>>> >>>> I downloaded the reference above from the Refnotes site as a tid and >>>> imported it. Happily enough the fields used in the example now show under >>>> User Fields for selection. Consider this an enhancement request for >>>> pre-populating those fields under Bibtex Field separator/category when the >>>> plugin is installed. The addition of these as a selection under Bibtex >>>> fields (not User fields) would be invaluable to a novice such as myself. >>>> It >>>> may or may not be doable because simply deleting the plugin (under >>>> removing >>>> plugins instructions on the Tiddlywiki.com) would likely leave the field >>>> selections still available in the field selection dropdown. Perhaps if you >>>> had another entry under the plugin Content label, you could create the >>>> addition of a shadow tiddler that would contain these fields and link them >>>> to the core fields in order to remove the fields when removing the plugin. >>>> >>>> As an IT support/admin and BA from the late 80's to present day, One >>>> lesson I learned that has served me best. As a naturally lazy individual >>>> I'd always sought to find methods that would automate my job, or reduce >>>> any >>>> support load I had to handle. That lesson was to 'dumb down' the >>>> documentation to the end users level. All too many times documentation is >>>> non-existing or lacking. I hated writing documentation, but as I >>>> discovered >>>> it made my job so much easier I succumbed to the habit of creating it to >>>> meet the need to keep support calls with the end user or the Help Desk so >>>> the calls didn't need to be pushed up to my level to handle. >>>> >>>> A little more detail in your documentation in addition to pre >>>> populating the bibtex fields would greatly increase the use, popularity >>>> and >>>> value of your plugin. I mean no offense, but I do admit being lazy. >>>> >>>> Have a great day safely with you and yours. >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 11:44:24 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Douglas, >>>>> Many thanks for your feedback. I have corrected the issues. The >>>>> official plugins can be installed from $:/ControlPanel, Plugins tab using >>>>> "Get more plugins". These plugins are distributed with Tiddlywiki. >>>>> >>>>> Refnotes will have an overhaul after TW 5.1.23 is released. Notably >>>>> support for different styles (book, journal, dissertation, website, >>>>> conference paper,...) better view template for bibtex entry and Node.js >>>>> version are among new features. I will then correct the documentation and >>>>> tutorial. >>>>> >>>>> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Refnotes >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> Mohammad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 5:38 AM Douglas Glenn <dgle...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mohammad, >>>>>> >>>>>> Your tutorial says: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is recommended to use the official *Bibtex Importer* plugin for >>>>>> using with bibliography code. >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot find it. >>>>>> *Note:* The sidebar Bibtex tab can also be used for details of >>>>>> bibliography macro. >>>>>> I don't have this tab. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now I just have to learn how to use it >>>>>> :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 8:58:31 PM UTC-5 Douglas Glenn >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings Mohammad, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a FYI if you have the time to correct them anytime soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From the link in your recent entry of Refnotes in the Tiddlywiki >>>>>>> under the Resources tiddler, you updated it 20 Nov 2020, but but the >>>>>>> link >>>>>>> referenced: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/ >>>>>>> This resulted in a 404 error. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It should point to https://kookma.github.io/TW-Refnotes/ >>>>>>> This link works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On that page, the installation link did had the same 404 error >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I noticed someone had made a change an hour before I logged onto >>>>>>> Github yesterday. 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