This is a really great thread o' discussion. Just to follow-up on all of the latest contributions:
Although I've never played with it, I'm pretty sure, for TiddlyWiki *team* play , you'll want to get your hands on TW5-SingleExecutable by Jed Carty <https://tiddlywiki.com/#TW5-SingleExecutable%20by%20Jed%20Carty>. And you'll probably want to volunteer a lead "visionary" in the team to act as TiddlyWiki custodian/librarian/evangelist. I tend to see your project very much like a software development project, but mostly all about gathering requirements and prototyping, all about assessing needs. (I get right giddy about those activities. So much fun !!!) What I have seen in software development, you often have higher up folk who want certain information, and applications get created for staff to enter data with the goal of providing management with the information management needs. Staff often wind up in the unenviable position of experiencing use of the system as "extra work", and the system to be used because "somebody said so." Yuck. To me, and right out of the gate, any thing created for people to use needs to provide immediate benefit to those people. It has to be something that isn't "extra work", but rather something that provides value to each one of them. When you take care of the little dimes, the dollars take care of themselves, in a way. So whatever the "big goal/purpose", it can be much easier to get there when other "little goals/purposes" are supported first as something that leads to success with the meatier goal. Now, I have not yet had my first cup of morning coffee. Please take all of that philosophical mumbo-jumbo of mine with a bucket of salt. On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 8:57:48 AM UTC-4 flanc...@gmail.com wrote: > @ludwa6 does make a point, at least in my opinion. A wiki is most > definitely a powerful tool, and tiddlyWiki holds the potential to make a > great, modernized version of one. The issue with using tiddlyWiki as a > group or team wiki, in my experience, is implementing proper controls. For > example, in my collaborative tiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net, I’ve > removed all traces of control panel, trash button, and anything to find > them, including advanced search to prevent users from modifying the “core > vitals” of the software. TiddlyWiki was made to be a personal notebook, and > hence has not had proper testing (or documentation) at a team level. Anyone > attempting to do this will surely face bugs and issues, and the main thing > needed to do all of this correctly is patience. > > The second point I will make is questioning to the extent at which Cedric > would like to use TiddlyWiki. It is one thing to make a tiddlyWiki hosted > on GitHub that displays your changes. It is quite another to make it fully > collaborative, even with all the amazing plugins available. I one again > would stress the importance of using GitHub Pages over a server to Cedric > if he seeks to make the wiki fully collaborative, as at least that has a > little bit of testing for this purpose. > > Regards, > Finn Lancaster > Software Developer finnsoftware.net > Implementing TiddlyWiki at wiki.finnsoftware.net > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 7:32 AM Hans Wobbe <hww...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ludwa6: >> >> Thanks for you post. It resonated with me since its insights are >> consistent with me experience. I also appreciate the Rufus Pollack link >> >> Regards, >> Hans >> >> >> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 5:29:12 AM UTC-5 ludwa6 wrote: >> > The UseCase that Cedric has shared falls squarely in the middle of a >>> problem space that TW is very well-suited to solve, i think, and much as i >>> resonate with the ideas shared by Finn and Charlie have shared, what i'm >>> really hungry for is a working example of some solution that solves a >>> UseCase as close as possible to that which the OP here describes. >>> >>> Reason i ask is: much as i love wiki for personal KM & productivity >>> management (have used different desktop wikis over many years, and finally >>> settled on TW5 as the best solution for me), every time i have tried to >>> deploy it as a workgroup solution, it has failed to achieve sufficient >>> traction to warrant its continued maintenance. >>> >>> My theory of cause about this could be thought of as the flipside of the >>> very coin that makes wiki such a powerful tool for quickly building an >>> extensive knowledge base, and a PERSONAL interface to same: it's fast, it's >>> "InterTWingly," it can (if built on such sound architecture as TW5) >>> accommodate whatever computer language you might be partial to, etc. >>> Problem is, when it comes to the languages that stand at higher levels up >>> the KM stack -i.e. for naming and tagging and classifying knowledge- we all >>> have different ideas. I guess that's what Rufus Pollock means, @charlie, >>> when he talks about the shift that we'll see >>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>> >>> in the coming Componentization Revolution, when that 90:10 ratio of >>> Content:Interface will flip around to its mirror image. With granular >>> content everywhere, interface-building becomes the name of the game. >>> Question then becomes: how do we make of that interface-building game a >>> really good collaborative one? >>> >>> SO: seeing as how i'm no good at this, i'd like to know who really is. >>> To that end: can you please share here, any and all, links to collaborative >>> software documentation projects powered by TW5 that are open for us all to >>> explore? (read-only, i mean: the only case of wiki open to edits by all >>> that actually works in practice is Wikipedia -and that only by virtue of >>> its army of dedicated editors!) >>> >>> /walt >>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 3:11:43 AM UTC Charlie Veniot wrote: >>> >>>> Bonjour Cedric et bienvenue à la TiddlyWikernité (fraternité >>>> TiddlyWiki? Pshiuuuuu ... boom.) >>>> >>>> I really can't see TiddlyWiki being anything but a great choice for >>>> just about anything. Even if you try it and decide it isn't right for the >>>> job, you still have "prototyping" value and likely have the benefit of >>>> having better figured out your needs/requirements. >>>> >>>> The beauty of TiddlyWiki, to me: it is like a blank canvas. Don't let >>>> yourself get stuck in the mud trying to figure out "structure." Avoid >>>> "structure block" (like writer's block), and just get to writing. Let >>>> structural needs sprout organically / incrementally / iteratively, and try >>>> to keep things easily adaptable with a "componentized" approach >>>> <https://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/> >>>> . >>>> >>>> It might take time to get everything juuuust right, but it will fit you >>>> and your crew perfectly. The option is a "canned" solution with >>>> prescriptive "whatever", and then you have to take time for you and your >>>> crew to adapt to the solution. (Yeah, I much prefer adapt a flexible >>>> solution to my quirky self.) >>>> >>>> Rock'n roll ! >>>> >>>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:41:09 AM UTC-4 work.ced...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everybody. >>>>> >>>>> I am Cedric, a French Software developer and I start working in a very >>>>> small (4 people) team o software developers in a very small company. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately the knowledge is neither organized either shared between >>>>> people who yet work in the same room and I want to start documenting >>>>> projects and applications while managing updates and versions. >>>>> >>>>> Knowing that we already have a Jira to manage our project but we >>>>> cannot afford for a team plan I was looking for a free open source >>>>> wikimedia like or a home made blog using Wagtail when I discovered >>>>> Tiddly. >>>>> >>>>> Do you think that it can be an suitable tool for me? >>>>> >>>>> Best regards. >>>>> Cedric J. >>>>> >>>> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/da6bc24d-6d48-4e17-a3e4-0e4b92d31f53n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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