OK @Charlie: For a scenario of agile NoteTaking in an outliner that might hold a “deep issue” or few for TW to solve, let us consider the case of an isolated eLearner taking notes in one window while video lecture is playing in another.
Teacher is talking, and I’m here banging out notes as fast as i can type a key phrase and hit return… And before you know it, I’ve got a screen full of lines that reflect the lecturer’s train of thought, insofar as i have followed it. Thing is, I’ve been having my own thoughts about all this as we go along -some of which i may want to nest beneath a pithy quote from Teacher, while others may be my own original train of thought that I want to organize in a separate group- and this i can easily do, without needing to pause the video, because each line is a discrete object that i can move up or down, indent or outdent, fold or unfold, whether by a single keystroke or mouse click&drag or gesture on glass. Now: can you show me a one window interface in TiddlyWiki where i can work like that? /walt On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 4:07:37 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: > I am really enjoying this thread of discussion. > > Fully recognizing (almost giddy about it) that any one solution can be the > best for one group of doers'n thinkers, it can come up short for other > groups of doers'n thinkers (cognitive differences/preferences are one of > the beautiful thing that make our species so danged interesting)... > > I can't help myself, always wondering: how would I do this/that with > TiddlyWiki. > > There are a lot of angles to cover re taking vs making notes. > > Maybe we can go over, one-by-one, your list of deep issues that keep TW > from being Agile. (Yeah, I"m kind of an over-eager beaver over here, ready > to jump at each "feature" and instinctively react with a "why couldn't > TiddlyWiki can do that? All rainbows and blue skies and butterflies me...") > > > > On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 4:30:12 AM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote: > >> I see what you can do about mode-switching , Charlie, and agree: that’s a >> good hi-level UI affordance.. >> >> Still, I think that there be pretty deep issues that keep TW from being a >> very agile NoteTaking tool. >> >> The best solution to the portability problem that I have found involves >> using Quine2 app on my iPhone, with sync to my desktop TW instance via >> Apple iCloud, but that is kind of a hack, overly dependent on Apple, I >> would say. >> >> Still more challenging to my mind is the diff between an outlining editor >> and the text editing window in a tiddler; that is fundamentally >> constrained by web standards -is it not? >> >> /walt >> >> >> On Saturday, June 19, 2021 at 5:21:42 AM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Instinctively, I'm thinking it should be possible to simultaneously have >>> both "modes" (taking vs making) at the same time available, just because >>> TiddlyWiki is so flexible. >>> >>> If not simultaneous modes, then it should be possible to switch between >>> the two modes without batting an eyelash, kind of like how my more recent >>> TiddlyWiki instances can switch between "reader" and "author" modes >>> (triggered by hide/show of sidebar). Or how my Favourite Stuff and >>> Projects >>> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html> >>> TiddlyWiki can switch between contexts. >>> >>> That said, I must chew on it a bit, and read all previously mentioned >>> articles a few times over. >>> >>> >>> On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:29:42 PM UTC-3 ludwa6 wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for engaging, Saq: responses inline below. >>>> >>>> On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 6:53:51 PM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Crude, but effective enough, albeit with some editing overhead in TW >>>>>> that it would be nice to eliminate. Am starting to explore the >>>>>> possibilities of Logseq as a potential Dynalist replacement; it does >>>>>> outlining in much the same way, but has some interesting export >>>>>> functions, >>>>>> including JSON and Roam JSON. If there were a way in TW to import such >>>>>> exports and convert them into proper tiddlers... That would be amazing! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is definitely doable. How useful such an import is will depend on >>>>> what kind of features/markup you are using in those systems and how well >>>>> they would translate to wikitext. Converting pure text though is very >>>>> straight forward. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It is mostly plain text, but for Markdown formatting ( which I could >>>> live without) and links- formatted like [Google](https:// Google.com) >>>> -which would need conversion to [[wikilinks form|https://google.com]]. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If anyone else has got some other solution for agile NoteTaking that >>>>>> integrates nicely with TiddlyWiki for NoteMaking, i'd be very interested >>>>>> to >>>>>> hear about it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To this end, it would be interesting to understand what features or >>>>> workflow in Dynalist (or Logseq) make it better for note taking (vs >>>>> TiddlyWiki) in your experience. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Essentially it’s about speed and portability, traversing/ elaborating/ >>>> reorganizing outlines as fast as fingers can type, and context switching >>>> from local desktop to mobile phone in the field ( i.e. cloud) many times >>>> per day without a hitch. If this is possible in TW, I’d love to know how… >>>> But i think it’s a case of architectures that are optimized for different >>>> things, don’t you think? >>>> >>>> /walt >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/afe1a9a2-f719-4c99-86a8-3b6e07a1153cn%40googlegroups.com.
