Hi Ton Thanks for the report. There's a fix for one of the outstanding sync problems in 5.0.9, courtesy of this pull request from buggyj:
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/496 That fix concerns tiddlers that get deleted while there is still a pending save to the server. I think the situation you describe is a different problem, and we'll continue to investigate. Best wishes Jeremy On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Ton Gerner <ton.ger...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > Since a few days I am again playing around with TW5 and node.js (Windows > 7, Firefox v28, TW5.0.8-beta). > A few times I noted that changes were not saved, but I didn't have the > console open so could not check messages. > > Today it happened again while I had the console open (and the Windows > command window open). > Like Matabele I get the impression that after a certain (idle?) time it > just stops syncing without errors in the console. > > Everything worked OK, I didn't do any editing for an hour or so and when I > restarted editing nothing was saved. > Normally I see PUT messages, when idle I see GET messages in the console. > When it does not save I only see GET messages (once a minute a new one). > > The Windows command window just stops with "syncer-server: Dispatching > 'save' task" messages. > > Luckily I made every time an offline copy, so I did not lose anything, but > this way I don't see any advantages over a standalone version ;-) > > I know this does not help you that much (without any message in the > console). > Just to let you know the problem was found by another person as well. > > Cheers, > > Ton > > > > On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:41:24 PM UTC+1, Matabele wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> Thanks - I've developed various techniques for saving my work for the >> time being - would like to track down the problem though. I don't think >> this was happening (at least I didn't notice), before the upgrade to >> v5.0.8-beta. I have tried all kinds of tests, creating and deleting >> tiddlers, leaving some tiddlers open whilst creating and deleting tiddlers >> etc. Haven't managed to track this down to any action. >> >> As I mentioned, a server that stands completely idle from initial start >> (other than opening the TW on the browser) may not function after some >> delay. The fault seems to appear at completely random moments - at times >> one server might function for hours without a problem, whilst another >> develops the fault quickly. Meanwhile another idle server develops the >> fault before first use. >> >> Unfortunately there are no anomalous messages in the terminal - all seems >> to function correctly until the moment of failure. >> >> There are a few other issues with saving: I have lost tiddlers on >> occasion when saving (sort of deletes instead of saves - but the appearance >> is not the same) and on occasions duplicate copies of tiddlers appear in >> the Recent tab (deleting one usually deletes both.) These errors report a >> syncing error in the terminal. This does not, however, appear to be related >> to the saving failure, else these syncing error messages should appear last >> in the terminal before each failure. >> >> I shall report any further observations. >> >> regards >> >> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:27:38 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>> >>> Hi Matabele >>> >>> I could do with some help to track this down, I've had similar reports >>> in the past that I have been unable to reliably duplicate. It was the >>> driver for the increased logging in 5.0.8. >>> >>> The open copy of the TW appears to be aware of the breakdown - when >>>> closing or refreshing the page, a warning is issued to the effect that >>>> there are unsaved changes. However, the only way to restore saving is to >>>> restart the server and refresh the page (thus losing any edits since the >>>> server ceased to function.) >>>> >>> >>> You can save your modified tiddlers as a standalone file via the control >>> panel "Server" tab. Then you can open the standalone file in the browser >>> and drag tiddlers back into your online wiki once you've restarted the >>> server. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Jeremy. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hope this helps identify the problem. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014 11:52:21 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>> >>>>> The problem is your tiddlywiki.info file. It doesn't contain the >>>>> plugins needed for the server edition to operate. >>>>> >>>>> The fix is to re-initialise the wiki folder with: >>>>> >>>>> tiddlywiki --init server >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes >>>>> >>>>> Jeremy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Matabele <matabe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v1QYGdwriog/UxThqlYbi0I/AAAAAAAAAXQ/YD-2NThZoTc/s1600/start.jpg> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d_cGllkexWQ/UxThPjGEA8I/AAAAAAAAAXI/tZiwtnwRa6A/s1600/tiddlywiki.info.jpg> >>>>>> >>>>>> I start from the command line as shown - also shown my >>>>>> tiddlywiki.info >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 8:21:33 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could you please show a copy of: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * The batch file you're using to start the server >>>>>>> * The content of the tiddlywiki.info file in your wiki folder >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, what OS and browser are you using? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Matabele <matabe...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One further observation - when refreshing the browser, I get a >>>>>>>> warning of the sort 'Do you want to leave this page - you may have >>>>>>>> unsaved >>>>>>>> changes' (varies a little with different browsers.) Can't remember if >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> happened when it was saving. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 4:09:07 PM UTC+2, Matabele wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No further progress I'm afraid. Last evening I ran a number of >>>>>>>>> tests - dropping a new tiddler in or creating a new tiddler then >>>>>>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>> the server - all worked fine over a number of cycles. Today, nothing >>>>>>>>> saves >>>>>>>>> no matter what I try (no messages in the terminal either) :-( >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:47:45 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I noticed no messages with 5.0.7 - the updates appeared to save >>>>>>>>>>> transparently. Yesterday, after upgrading to 5.0.8, I noticed >>>>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>>>> unusual, but kept losing updates whilst I was editing cloned >>>>>>>>>>> themes. On >>>>>>>>>>> firing up this morning, not only the latest themes were lost, but >>>>>>>>>>> also a >>>>>>>>>>> couple of other tiddlers I had updated (it also appears that a >>>>>>>>>>> couple of >>>>>>>>>>> the lost themes re-appeared - as I had several older versions of the >>>>>>>>>>> themes.) Only after that did I deliberately experiment by closing >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> server and refreshing after updating a few tiddlers. Behaviour is >>>>>>>>>>> erratic - >>>>>>>>>>> at this stage I can't see why some tiddlers save and others don't. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's frustrating, I'd appreciate any further updates. I'd >>>>>>>>>> recommend reviewing the messages in the terminal window to verify >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> files have been successfully written to disc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I presume this may be due to a clash with the new auto update >>>>>>>>>>> feature (in the stand alone version, I see occasional messages.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The new autosave mechanism only kicks in in the standalone >>>>>>>>>> configuration. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I shall keep a look out to see if I notice anything else. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:56:44 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele & Mario, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To confirm that I was mistaken above: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> * 5.0.7-beta and before do not create a missing >>>>>>>>>>>> tiddlywiki.infofile, they just fall back to default values >>>>>>>>>>>> * therefore, you may well need to use `tiddlywiki myfolder >>>>>>>>>>>> --init server` to create a tiddlywiki.info file for an >>>>>>>>>>>> existing wiki >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There appear to be problems with saving - some updates are >>>>>>>>>>>> saved whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you give more details? What messages if any do you see on >>>>>>>>>>>> the terminal, and in the browser console window? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Matabele >>>>>>>>>>>> <matabe...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There appear to be problems with saving - some updates are >>>>>>>>>>>>> saved whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:38:40 AM UTC+2, Matabele wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L6_RKEKJ6No/UxGb0Ev5McI/AAAAAAAAAWc/N1hOQNUHG9o/s1600/upgrade+v5.0.8_beta+on+node.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On upgrading to v5.0.8_b (linux os) - this is what I see - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>>>> ps/opt_out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Ruston >>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>> >> -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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