Hi Jeremy, Since my last post I switched to Chrome (instead of Firefox). Up till now I have no sync/save problems anymore with TW & node.js.
- Is it possible the problem is browser dependent? - Is this in line with the bug reports you got? Cheers, Ton On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:47:04 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote: > > Hi Jeremy, > > Addendum: > Upon restarting the node TW I find a "New tiddler" and a "Draft of 'New > Tiddler'" (the last added tiddler that has *not* been saved). > > Cheers, > > Ton > > On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:39:44 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote: >> >> Hi Jeremy, >> >> Again save/sync problems. >> >> Now I get - after some time not editing - messages about "Draft of new >> tiddlers" while I don't see an open draft tiddler. >> From that time on it does not save anymore. >> >> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK >> 36ms] >> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK >> 34ms] >> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK >> 44ms] >> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK >> 41ms] >> PUT >> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 >> >> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 >> PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New%20Tiddler >> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >> no element found New%20Tiddler:1 >> PUT >> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 >> >> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 >> PUT >> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 >> >> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 >> PUT >> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 >> >> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms] >> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1 >> >> The Windows command windows shows the same kind of messages: >> >> syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler' >> FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/ >> Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid >> syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler' >> FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/ >> Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ton >> >> >> On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:48:28 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ton >>> >>> Thanks for the report. There's a fix for one of the outstanding sync >>> problems in 5.0.9, courtesy of this pull request from buggyj: >>> >>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/496 >>> >>> That fix concerns tiddlers that get deleted while there is still a >>> pending save to the server. I think the situation you describe is a >>> different problem, and we'll continue to investigate. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Ton Gerner <ton.g...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jeremy, >>>> >>>> Since a few days I am again playing around with TW5 and node.js >>>> (Windows 7, Firefox v28, TW5.0.8-beta). >>>> A few times I noted that changes were not saved, but I didn't have the >>>> console open so could not check messages. >>>> >>>> Today it happened again while I had the console open (and the Windows >>>> command window open). >>>> Like Matabele I get the impression that after a certain (idle?) time it >>>> just stops syncing without errors in the console. >>>> >>>> Everything worked OK, I didn't do any editing for an hour or so and >>>> when I restarted editing nothing was saved. >>>> Normally I see PUT messages, when idle I see GET messages in the >>>> console. >>>> When it does not save I only see GET messages (once a minute a new one). >>>> >>>> The Windows command window just stops with "syncer-server: Dispatching >>>> 'save' task" messages. >>>> >>>> Luckily I made every time an offline copy, so I did not lose anything, >>>> but this way I don't see any advantages over a standalone version ;-) >>>> >>>> I know this does not help you that much (without any message in the >>>> console). >>>> Just to let you know the problem was found by another person as well. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Ton >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:41:24 PM UTC+1, Matabele wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> Thanks - I've developed various techniques for saving my work for the >>>>> time being - would like to track down the problem though. I don't think >>>>> this was happening (at least I didn't notice), before the upgrade to >>>>> v5.0.8-beta. I have tried all kinds of tests, creating and deleting >>>>> tiddlers, leaving some tiddlers open whilst creating and deleting >>>>> tiddlers >>>>> etc. Haven't managed to track this down to any action. >>>>> >>>>> As I mentioned, a server that stands completely idle from initial >>>>> start (other than opening the TW on the browser) may not function after >>>>> some delay. The fault seems to appear at completely random moments - at >>>>> times one server might function for hours without a problem, whilst >>>>> another >>>>> develops the fault quickly. Meanwhile another idle server develops the >>>>> fault before first use. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately there are no anomalous messages in the terminal - all >>>>> seems to function correctly until the moment of failure. >>>>> >>>>> There are a few other issues with saving: I have lost tiddlers on >>>>> occasion when saving (sort of deletes instead of saves - but the >>>>> appearance >>>>> is not the same) and on occasions duplicate copies of tiddlers appear in >>>>> the Recent tab (deleting one usually deletes both.) These errors report a >>>>> syncing error in the terminal. This does not, however, appear to be >>>>> related >>>>> to the saving failure, else these syncing error messages should appear >>>>> last >>>>> in the terminal before each failure. >>>>> >>>>> I shall report any further observations. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:27:38 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>> >>>>>> I could do with some help to track this down, I've had similar >>>>>> reports in the past that I have been unable to reliably duplicate. It >>>>>> was >>>>>> the driver for the increased logging in 5.0.8. >>>>>> >>>>>> The open copy of the TW appears to be aware of the breakdown - when >>>>>>> closing or refreshing the page, a warning is issued to the effect that >>>>>>> there are unsaved changes. However, the only way to restore saving is >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> restart the server and refresh the page (thus losing any edits since >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> server ceased to function.) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can save your modified tiddlers as a standalone file via the >>>>>> control panel "Server" tab. Then you can open the standalone file in the >>>>>> browser and drag tiddlers back into your online wiki once you've >>>>>> restarted >>>>>> the server. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this helps identify the problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014 11:52:21 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The problem is your tiddlywiki.info file. It doesn't contain the >>>>>>>> plugins needed for the server edition to operate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The fix is to re-initialise the wiki folder with: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> tiddlywiki --init server >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Matabele <matabe...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v1QYGdwriog/UxThqlYbi0I/AAAAAAAAAXQ/YD-2NThZoTc/s1600/start.jpg> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d_cGllkexWQ/UxThPjGEA8I/AAAAAAAAAXI/tZiwtnwRa6A/s1600/tiddlywiki.info.jpg> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I start from the command line as shown - also shown my >>>>>>>>> tiddlywiki.info >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 8:21:33 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Could you please show a copy of: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * The batch file you're using to start the server >>>>>>>>>> * The content of the tiddlywiki.info file in your wiki folder >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, what OS and browser are you using? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Matabele <matabe...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One further observation - when refreshing the browser, I get a >>>>>>>>>>> warning of the sort 'Do you want to leave this page - you may have >>>>>>>>>>> unsaved >>>>>>>>>>> changes' (varies a little with different browsers.) Can't remember >>>>>>>>>>> if this >>>>>>>>>>> happened when it was saving. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 3, 2014 4:09:07 PM UTC+2, Matabele wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No further progress I'm afraid. Last evening I ran a number of >>>>>>>>>>>> tests - dropping a new tiddler in or creating a new tiddler then >>>>>>>>>>>> restarting >>>>>>>>>>>> the server - all worked fine over a number of cycles. Today, >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing saves >>>>>>>>>>>> no matter what I try (no messages in the terminal either) :-( >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:47:45 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed no messages with 5.0.7 - the updates appeared to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> save transparently. Yesterday, after upgrading to 5.0.8, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticed nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusual, but kept losing updates whilst I was editing cloned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. On >>>>>>>>>>>>>> firing up this morning, not only the latest themes were lost, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but also a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of other tiddlers I had updated (it also appears that a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lost themes re-appeared - as I had several older versions of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes.) Only after that did I deliberately experiment by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> closing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> server and refreshing after updating a few tiddlers. Behaviour >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is erratic - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this stage I can't see why some tiddlers save and others >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's frustrating, I'd appreciate any further updates. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend reviewing the messages in the terminal window to verify >>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>> files have been successfully written to disc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I presume this may be due to a clash with the new auto update >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature (in the stand alone version, I see occasional messages.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The new autosave mechanism only kicks in in the standalone >>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I shall keep a look out to see if I notice anything else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:56:44 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Matabele & Mario, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To confirm that I was mistaken above: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 5.0.7-beta and before do not create a missing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tiddlywiki.info file, they just fall back to default values >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * therefore, you may well need to use `tiddlywiki myfolder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --init server` to create a tiddlywiki.info file for an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing wiki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > There appear to be problems with saving - some updates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saved whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you give more details? What messages if any do you see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the terminal, and in the browser console window? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Matabele < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matabe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There appear to be problems with saving - some updates are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved whilst others are lost. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 1, 2014 10:38:40 AM UTC+2, Matabele >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L6_RKEKJ6No/UxGb0Ev5McI/AAAAAAAAAWc/N1hOQNUHG9o/s1600/upgrade+v5.0.8_beta+on+node.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On upgrading to v5.0.8_b (linux os) - this is what I see - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /tiddlywiki. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/grou >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ps/opt_out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Ruston >>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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