Dear All, Could we schedule this topic to be on the next hangout?
Alex On 10 February 2016 at 02:29, Irene Knapp <irenei...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, personally, I definitely got that feeling the first time I saw > TiddlyWiki. For what it's worth, I remember HyperCard, and I think TW > appeals to a similar sort of user even though the things it builds are > different. > > TW has a really nice on-ramp because it has a few simple and obvious > use-cases, such as note-taking and journalling. I guess those were also > example uses of HyperCard, but not trivial to set up, and not what most > stacks I remember were about. The consistent volume of feature requests on > these mailing lists over the past years is a testament that TW tempts > people to imagine uses. > > Irene > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:12 PM Alex Hough <r.a.ho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> PS >> >> I posted somewhere on the group a link to this : >> https://github.com/Tonejs/Tone.js >> >> If there was an integration, TW could have a musical aspect. A "patch" >> could be generated from TW data, change count, number of tiddlers, number >> of tags ... etc etc >> >> Anyway-- it would be generative and show TW's capacity as a generative >> tool >> >> Alex >> >> On 9 February 2016 at 11:50, Alex Hough <r.a.ho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Jeremy, >>> >>> The post chimes with me, replace tidal with TiddlyWiki to gain a fair >>> impression of my position. (It is a glorious text isn't it?) >>> >>> I also like the idea of TW being in a tradition of generative tools, >>> there is an opening for a generative hypertext tool. Plugins like Tobia's >>> random tiddler and make tiddler point towards a future where TW could be >>> obviously a generative hypertext tool. >>> >>> My personal favourite exponent of generative systems is Brian Eno. I >>> sense that generative systems "had their time" and can appear deeply >>> uncool, like progressive rock and trippy fractals. But I also sense that >>> they are coming back. >>> >>> *Flow* >>> >>> Yesterday on the radio [1] someone was talking about video games, >>> technology and "flow" [2], for me TW delivers a learning curve which >>> delivers a flow state for many people. You can start of my drawing a >>> picture and making an interactive story (like my 6 year old) and you could >>> end up trying to understand what a quine and reading about the philosophy >>> of the quine. >>> >>> I like to see TW in the tradition of Leheman's zetlekasten [4] and of >>> Ashby's card index. Interlinked notes become part of the system one uses >>> for thinking. >>> >>> The name Osmosoft pretty much hit the nail on the head for me. It >>> alludes to biological computing, a strand of computing history with which >>> Ashby (I psychologist by training) was closely associated. >>> >>> TW is a tool and a meta tool for itself and for thinking in general. >>> >>> *Lambda* >>> >>> In Manchester there is an event called Lambda lounge: i went a few >>> times. It's interrupting to note that Tidal is "is embedded in the Haskell >>> language". After the event, I spoke to a chap working for the BBC in the >>> computing division (we have them up in Manchester now) >>> >>> >>> Does TW follow a similar programming paradigm? If so it may attract >>> attention from the lambda people. It seems to me this is a good direction >>> for computing to move in. And of course, that is purely a hunch: I am not a >>> specialist and have a dangerous little knowledge about the subject which >>> opens up the possibilities for creating useful and not so useful errors in >>> logic. >>> >>> *Téléologie et fonctions biologiques* >>> >>> >>> I wish I could understand Albero's stuff here : >>> http://tesis.tiddlyspot.com/ >>> >>> >>> *Meta hangout?* >>> >>> >>> Lets have a meta hangout! >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06zqn0v >>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology) >>> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willard_Van_Orman_Quine >>> [4] >>> http://takingnotenow.blogspot.co.uk/2007/12/luhmanns-zettelkasten.html >>> [5] >>> http://takingnotenow.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/w-ross-ashbys-journals-and-index-cards.html >>> [6] http://www.lambdalounge.org.uk/ >>> [7] http://tidal.lurk.org/ >>> >>> On 8 February 2016 at 14:07, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy.rus...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I was struck by how these rather nicely expressed words might equally >>>> apply to the experience of using TiddlyWiki. It’s actually somebody talking >>>> about a specialised programming language for "live coding” musical >>>> performances: >>>> >>>> > Tidal is an invitation, a map with many areas marked "here be >>>> dragons..." It's >>>> > a master carpenter's tool kit, but, also a heap of unorganized Legos. >>>> Tidal is >>>> > a playground where both discovery and questions arise simultaneously. >>>> It's an >>>> > intriguing, frustrating mute, a sly cipher, a breathing mandala, a >>>> dose of >>>> > friendly venom. It's a supreme blank slate, a piece of graph paper >>>> with a Z >>>> > axis. A series of amusements and also wretched dead-ends. Tidal is 101 >>>> > unexpectedly popping balloons, a lucid dream. It is a bicycle that >>>> once you >>>> > learn to ride it, reveals that it can FLY. >>>> > >>>> > Tidal is the thing I think about almost more often than anything >>>> else. It is >>>> > impressive enough to sufficiently motivate an old man who yells at >>>> clouds to >>>> > learn completely new things (writing code) and learn more about >>>> things ignored >>>> > thus far (music fundamentals). >>>> > >>>> > Tidal is amazing: I don't know what it is. >>>> >>>> Source: >>>> http://lurk.org/groups/tidal/messages/post/54YnfgMDakbh7KgPG05Vc2 >>>> >>>> I like the idea that TiddlyWiki is part of a tradition of tools that >>>> have the quality of being “generative”: they are meta-tools let you build >>>> other, specialised tools for the task at hand. Other examples would be >>>> Microsoft Access and Apple’s Hypercard. >>>> >>>> I think it’s that quality that gives rise to the hall-of-mirrors >>>> sensation of dizzying possibility that has become familiar as people talk >>>> about their experience of using TiddlyWiki. >>>> >>>> What do you think? Does TiddlyWiki feel like that to you? Are there >>>> other tools you’ve used that have the same quality? Are there situations >>>> where “here be dragons” might scare people off? >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Jeremy. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/1EC121B7-AF39-44C4-BD9B-874DBB5E6586%40gmail.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CALc1hYez8B9saD4fPqfWKZR-%2BhHu%2B7NruvOgpENzqZu4SCkxiQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CALc1hYez8B9saD4fPqfWKZR-%2BhHu%2B7NruvOgpENzqZu4SCkxiQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CAHmBUs9Xh_p8a%2BgdbpU0%2Bbjg%3D07OUZ1VsTJymdsH%3Dq0SaCEK%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/CAHmBUs9Xh_p8a%2BgdbpU0%2Bbjg%3D07OUZ1VsTJymdsH%3Dq0SaCEK%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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