Thanks Martin and PMario, for recognizing my issues. Unfortunately I don't have enough time at the moment to completely work out the consequences of my suggestions. And, as "rakugo" suggested, this forum is presumably not the best place to discuss all the details. Nevertheless, let me at least give you some of the consequences of my concerns:
Tiddler "Installation" should be renamed to "Download", and the first sentence in it should read: "The following downloading guidelines …". Next sentence: "If you are still having trouble downloading TiddlyWiki …". The names of the browser/platform specific tiddlers (like "Installation guidelines: Firefox on Mac OS X" or "Installation guidelines: Firefox on Windows XP", etc.) should be renamed to "Download guidelines: …". The first line in "Getting Started" should read: "Once you've successfully downloaded TiddlyWiki …". Same for "SaveChanges": "If you've followed the appropriate download guidelines …". In tiddler "Advanced download options" the last but one line should read: "Download instructions for the main browsers". Some other tiddlers (Firefox, Opera, InternetExplorer) also refer to "installation". Finally a remark about Firefox: the "Enable advanced features" (even if you tick "Remember this decision") is not a one-time operation (it is only remembered as long as you don't close Firefox). So actually it needs to be done once in every edit-session. For that reason the text about this would be better moved to tiddler "SaveChanges" or "Firefox". Thanks for your attention, and I sure hope this helps. Ton van Rooijen On 19 jul, 14:40, rakugo <jdlrob...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree the verb install may be wrong, but I think the reason it was > chosen was because we felt it might meet people's expectations - the > verb use might be better? > > I'm all in favour of the community reviewing the copy text. > How best might be do this? > > Creating a tiddlyspace [1] that interested people can contribute too > might be one way... > > [1]http://tiddlyspace.com > > On Jul 18, 11:16 pm, Ton van Rooijen <tons...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Martin, > > > I.m.h.o. it is important to avoid the terms "install" and > > "installation" because that's not what it is, and to some it may sound > > scary. > > The text in Hello There: > > "Getting started, though, is simple. You can download it for free and > > install it on your computer, even when offline." > > could therefore better be reworded to something like e.g.: > > "Getting started, though, is simple. You can download it for free, put > > the file wherever on your computer, open it with your browser and > > start writing. It will work with almost every computer with a modern > > browser. Since your own TiddlyWiki is stored on your computer you can > > even work on it when offline." > > > The next statement too, suggests more complexity then needed. It does > > not demonstrate how easy it is to publish with TW, on the contrary. > > "If you're looking for group collaboration features, or want your > > TiddlyWiki to be available on any computer, there are several > > HostedOptions for you to chose from." > > > I would rather think of a text like e.g.: > > "If you want to share your content with others you only have to upload > > your single TiddlyWiki-file to some web-location, e.g. the homepage- > > space provided by your ISP, and let your audience know the address. > > There are also several HostedOptions, e.g. if you don't have webspace > > or when you even would like to allow others to work collaboratively on > > your TiddlyWiki.” > > > These examples are just to illustrate what I meant when I started this > > discussion. > > Of course other texts, like in Getting Started, Installation, > > HostedOptions, TiddlyWiki and ServerSide would need rephrasing > > accordingly. > > > It’s all about making TW more attractive to potential new users. > > > Beste regards, > > Ton van Rooijen. > > > On 18 jul, 15:07, Martin Budden <mjbud...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > We're certainly interested in hearing suggestions for improvements to > > > tiddlywiki.com, including suggestions for changes to the "Hello There" > > > tiddler. Do you have any suggestions as to what should be said instead > > > of "install"? The point about "even when offline" is taken - clearly > > > this was meant that it could be used even when offline, but it is > > > ambiguous the way it is written. > > > > I'll certainly add David Gifford's website to the Examples tiddler. > > > > Martin > > > > On 17 July 2011 01:11, Ton van Rooijen <tons...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > > Dear TW developers community, > > > > > If you are on the brink of releasing a next release of TW, this must > > > > be the righ time to give some feedback on the main TW-download > > > > website, i.c.www.tiddlywiki.com. > > > > > Not too long ago this website has been "restyled" and for big parts > > > > rewritten. > > > > I myself am not too happy, but who am I, with some changed accents or > > > > rewordings, because I am afraid it puts people on the wrong foot. It > > > > might occur that instead of becoming enthousiastic, which should be > > > > the primary focus, potential new users get "scared" and turn their > > > > back on TW, even before having tried. > > > > > My main concerns are in tiddler "Hello There", because that is the > > > > very first introduction for newbee's. > > > > One of the most important and charming features of TW is its self- > > > > contained one file structure. As a natural consequence there was never > > > > talk of "installation" in the past, because there isn't. Nevertheless > > > > the current "Hello There" unfortunately talks about "install it (TW) > > > > on your computer"! There's even a separate chapter on it and > > > > "Installation Guidelines". Scary! Whilst in fact there is only > > > > download and open the file. > > > > Btw. "download .. and install ... 'EVEN WHEN OFFLINE'" is of course > > > > unprecedented magic, because impossible. > > > > > Many people, including myself, do use TW as their engine for > > > > publishing a website. Would I have read your current "Hello There" > > > > back in 2006 when I started with my first website, I would not even > > > > have tried TW. Because the current text reads "If you're looking for > > > > group collaboration features, OR WANT YOUR TIDDLYWIKI TO BE AVAILABLE > > > > ON ANY COMPUTER, there are several HOSTEDOPTIONS for you to chose > > > > from." This statement is seriously incorrect, because it is only true > > > > for collaboration. To make your TW available on any computer, i.e. > > > > like a R/O website, the only thing you have to do of course is to > > > > publish that one self-contained TW-file of yours somewhere on the Web. > > > > Again, unneccesary scaring off new potential users. More then a pity! > > > > > May I suggest that in the "Examples"-tiddler a reference will be made > > > > to David Gifford's "TiddlyWiki in Action"-website, being a TW-website > > > > itself, but at the same time showcasing many examples of TWs as > > > > websites. > > > > > It's not my intention to offend whoever, only try to contribute to a > > > > better promotion of TW, which I like very, very much. So I am curious > > > > to hear your comments on this, or discuss the topics even futher. > > > > Thanks and best regards, > > > > Ton van Rooijen > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to tiddlywikidev@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > tiddlywikidev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywikidev@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywikidev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev?hl=en.
