Advisable given the required mass will probably be in the 10-100 ton range.
Bruce
J. L. Trantham, M. D. wrote:
Personally, I would get out of the way. : )
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on
Behalf Of Ian Sheffield
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:17 PM
To: j...@quik.com; 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock
What happens when the rope breaks?
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of J. Forster
Sent: 09 August 2010 19:10
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock
You could put a large mass of concrete or somehing above the clock and
crank it up and down, to balance out the computed gravity changes.
:)
-John
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Unfortunately Gravity is not constant. Pendulum clocks show cyclic errors
due to the influences of the Moon's and Sun's Gravitational fields. I
forget
the amounts but it is in the region of parts in 10 to the 7, which is
easily
measurable.
This limits the compensations one can put into a pendulum clock.
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of mike cook
Sent: 09 August 2010 18:21
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock
Le 09/08/2010 18:46, Bob Holmstrom a écrit :
Food for thought.
I find it interesting that no one has suggested alternatives to
improving the performance of a pendulum clock other than controlling
it with a higher performance clock. If the goal is a better clock why
not attempt to understand the source of the errors and work on methods
to control or compensate for them? Teddy Hall has been taken to task
for using a quartz controlled oscillator to measure the amplitude of a
pendulum in the control loop of his Littlemore clock.
Tom Van Baak has developed techniques for analyzing the performance
and hence potential error sources of pendulum clocks - perhaps he will
share some of his work here.
Horological history is full of many attempts at solutions to the
problem, but it would seem that the creativity of this group might
generate some new ideas that are more in the spirit of better
timekeeping than attaching the pendulum to a better oscillator.
How about a wireless controlled device attached to the pendulum that
changes its position based on error sensor readings, not time errors,
but instead, temperature, barometric pressure, gravity, etc. that
would maintain a more constant pendulum period?
Yup. We have temperature and pressure ICs available , I think that
gravity is pretty constant if the clock isn't being moved about.
Humididty might also need logging aswell. So it should be easy enough to
predict the pendulums response to changes given a reasonable time of
observation.
That said, clocks have always been adjusted against better
references.. IIRC Harrison (and probably others) was using star transits
to regulate his long case clocks.
Bob Holmström
Editor
Horological Science Newsletter
www.hsn161.com
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