Ah but a UI is as much a cultural thing as technical we all learned systems 
which valued a interface which visually displayed all parameters both set and 
ranges on individual controls.  

 In Asia where rote memorization and Obedience is valued uses overloaded 
controls with deep menus.  If you are a photographer as I am as well you will 
find modern high end cameras with the same design on their menu systems

Ie ISO values will be buried in a shooting menu 2 levels down instead of being 
assigned to a dial or you will be expected to trust the cameras auto iso 
feature ie obiedience to authority

Scott

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On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:04 PM, "J. Forster" <j...@quikus.com> wrote:

> IMO, a good UI should be entirely obvious. I learnt to use a Tek 503 in
> about 1963. Everything after that has been obvious, until the
> 'puter'scopes.
> 
> The problem with nested menus is knowing where the dang thing you want is,
> or worse, that some setting or other even exists.
> 
> Have you explored all the pull-down menus in your browser or Word, or,
> worse, Excel or AutoCAD? I know I havn't. An Adventure game is far less
> opaque, IMO, and the game is designed to decieve.
> 
> -John
> 
> ================
> 
> 
>> That simply is not the case with the Rigol scope. I was able to use it
>> without opening the manual.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/16/2012 4:33 PM, Scott McGrath wrote:
>>> Chinese scopes and menus
>>> 
>>> In modern asian culture it's a highly valued skill to be able to
>>> memorize menu selections which are deeply nested And many asian designs
>>> actually increase the number of menus to cater to this
>>> 
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