I used to work on oxygen clean systems... that cleaning is done primarily with liquid freon (R-113 and ultrasound - may be hard to get now). The Vacuum stuff is expensive but off the shelf. The complicated part to me is the lasers and microwave... in addition to the super-stable oscillator you need to take maximum advantage of this stuff. Seems like a lot more than plumbing to me. If you look at the papers on portable rubidium fountains they are significantly bigger than a shoebox (65 cm).
Doc KX0O On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 8:06 AM, paul swed <paulsw...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK now that I am setting out to build one. Would the challenge for a > amateur be that the components you build with are basically dirty. Some how > on the copper pipe it would need to be clean and then brazed I might guess. > All of that makes for a dirty element. > To the vacuum. I used to make vaccuum pumps out of old refrigerator motors. > That would be the first stage of pump down. But how do you take it down > below that? Then I speculate you use a ion pump to get rid of the stuff > that remains. > Regards > Paul. > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Bob Camp <li...@rtty.us> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I went through a similar process quite a while ago. The dimensions of the > > actual fountain can be quite small. One could make one the size of a shoe > > box and still have it perform quite well. > > > > Bob > > > > On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp <p...@phk.freebsd.dk> > wrote: > > > > > -------- > > > In message <AB5B0278225B4BD483382A39E6834203@pc52>, "Tom Van Baak" > > writes: > > > > > >> - USNO rubidium fountains > > >> > > >> While many national labs have developed cesium fountains (for > > >> accuracy), USNO has been gradually building rubidium fountain clocks > > >> (for stability) and 4 of them are now fully operational. The ADEV > > >> of these clocks gets well under 1e-16. The paper will have all the > > >> details but the note I made was that with 20 months of data, the > > >> stability was near 5e-17 at tau 4 months. That's 100x better than > > >> a commercial cesium standard; better than all of USNO's other 70 > > >> cesium clocks and 15 H-masers combined. Yes, I've added "rubidium > > >> fountain" to my automated eBay searches. > > > > > > I happened to miss a turn (or something...) and stumbled into the > > > building where they keep those fountains when I visited USNO some > > > months ago. WhatI found most remarkable about them were how compact > > > they were, I still expected fountains to be room size, but these > > > were rack-sized. > > > > > > I asked what the material cost would be and if a competent amateur > > > would be able to do something like that, and the clear message was > > > that the single biggest problem was the vacuum for a vessel that > > > size (when you can't use ferromagmnetic materials) and getting > > > the optical bench calibrated. "Apart from that it's just some > > > plumbing" > > > > > >> - Loran/UrsaNav > > >> > > >> CW instead of very low duty cycle Loran pulses would improve S/N [...] > > > > > > Actually, it probably will not. > > > > > > The one smart thing about the LORAN signal is S/N, which means that > > > LORAN for timing purposes is incredible insensitive to noise and > > > at the same time, incredible transmitter power economy. > > > > > > The one caveat is that the GRI has to be a good number, preferably > > > a four (or more!) digit prime number. > > > > > > (You need to grok moduls-arithmetic to really appreciate this, but > > > its the magnitude of the prime factors of the product of the GRI > > > and the disturbing CW which counts: The smaller the are, the harder > > > it is to filter the CW-RFI out.) > > > > > > This is why Europe switched to 4-digit GRIs and almost totally solved > > > CW-RFI by doing so, and why the Russian Chayka at GRI 8000 is totally > > > useless near anything resembling a transmitter. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > > > p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > > > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > > > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by > > incompetence. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Doc Bill Dailey KXØO _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.