Chris,

The 8170 was originally intended to be a frequency reference source tied to the USFS (United Stated Frequency Standard). It also gave the time of day, but I believe that wasn't it's primary purpose. As I recall, there were some versions that did not have the clock readout and some that had a chart recorder. Back in the 80's I used to drool (it was a disgusting sight!) over the Spectracom receivers with the chart recorders. At that time I was usuing a Gertsch RLF-1 with an external Moseley 680 chart recorder. The remodulator precludes it from being used as a frequency standard, but in my opinion, so does the fact that WWVB is now phase shifted a bunch.

The 8170 uses a coherent detector and that's where the problem lies. While the 8170 still locks to the WWVB carrier, the new BPSK scheme causes the detector to output bad data in spite of the original dips in the carrier still being present. I had always wondered how it was able to pull the data out the noise, but never had a manual until just recently. I had naively assumed that the WWVB new BPSK scheme would not affect the time of day aspect of the 8170. Like I said, I only use it as a clock in my shoppe, and being an old dog I don't easily learn new tricks such as looking in a different direction for one of the other clocks.

Burt, K6OQK

From: Chris Albertson <albertson.ch...@gmail.com>
At 02:08 PM 6/17/2013, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote
Yes, I see what it does.   It is a simple circuit.  But I just thought
(wrongly, now I see)  that the 8170 somehow used the 60KHz signal for some
purpose.  I gues not,  It is just a carrier that is discarded.

Some receivers used the 60HKz signal as a 60KHz frequency reference and
phase locked their internal clock to the 60KHz signal.  I gues the 8170
does not do that.

Burt I. Weiner Associates
Broadcast Technical Services
Glendale, California  U.S.A.
b...@att.net
www.biwa.cc
K6OQK
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