Bob,
That is what seem to work well in commercial products, including my designs.
Have you seen the RAI report on GPSDOs? I think we discussed it before,
that will be a relevant reading.
Not all system implements 3), and it is a bit complex, so consider it an
option to add, but not necessarily always used. Sometimes you don't want
to do that.
Cheers,
Magnus
On 08/17/2016 02:08 AM, Bob Stewart wrote:
Thanks Magnus!
These look like good guidelines. I'll see what I can come up with.
Bob
-----------------------------------------------------------------
AE6RV.com
GFS GPSDO list:
groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GFS-GPSDOs/info
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Magnus Danielson <mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org>
*To:* time-nuts@febo.com
*Cc:* mag...@rubidium.se
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2016 6:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: [time-nuts] Holdover
Bob,
On 08/16/2016 11:31 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
Hi Attila,
In my unit, which is a frequency standard, I chose to tell the
receiver to stop sending 1PPS pulses when it loses sync to the sats.
And since the 1PPS is no longer coming, the PLL does nothing and the DAC
doesn't change. (Let's avoid the question of aging correction for
now.) So, I'm wondering where to go and what to do if I want to get
time from my unit. Clearly I could just tell the receiver to continue
to send 1PPS pulses and sync to those - marking the time as unreliable.
When the receiver synced back up, then it would warp the time output,
the 1PPS would warp in phase, and the PLL would correct the phase error.
So, that's one way, but probably not a desirable way. My interest was
in the option of using the OCXO to create the time, which clearly gives
a better option when the receiver syncs back up to the sats. Is there a
published standard for this, or is this something that everyone (except
the newbie) knows so well that it's not worth discussing?
There is no standard, but a few basic ways to go about which seems
reasonable and used by most is:
1) As you go into hold-over, keep producing PPS etc
2) As you leave hold-over, attempt to adjust the phase back.
3) If your system been in hold-over for a longer time, say that it
reasonably deviates outside of +/- 10 us (or some other limit), alarm
and turn output off
I have selected a somewhat more intricate setup in which you can set a
re-assignment limit, so when the phase error is outside of that limit,
you turn the output off, jumps the phase difference, and then starts to
track in from there. The reason being that at some time deviation, the
time it takes to track in the phase error is too large to be practical
so turning of and jump has less impact.
Cheers,
Magnus
Bob
-----------------------------------------------------------------
AE6RV.com
GFS GPSDO list:
groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GFS-GPSDOs/info
From: Attila Kinali <att...@kinali.ch <mailto:att...@kinali.ch>>
To: Bob Stewart <b...@evoria.net <mailto:b...@evoria.net>>; Discussion
of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com
<mailto:time-nuts@febo.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Holdover
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 04:35:40 +0000 (UTC)
Bob Stewart <b...@evoria.net <mailto:b...@evoria.net>> wrote:
It's been pointed out to me that I didn't understand the function of
the 1PPS of a time standard. I confess that somehow I had confused the
term to be timing standard; which would be an entirely different thing.
But, this is time-nuts, so I should have realized...
Anyway, is there a standard, or at least an accepted practice, for how
holdover is handled in a time standard?
There are many ways how to do that and which one you choose depends
on the application and its requirements. You can find everything between
"jump imediatly" and "just keep the frequency stable and don't care about
alignment".
Attila Kinali
_______________________________________________
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com <mailto:time-nuts@febo.com>
To unsubscribe, go to
https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.
_______________________________________________
time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
and follow the instructions there.
