Yes, I'm sorry about that. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:18 PM, paul swed <paulsw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adrian > I think you may have responded to the wrong thread?? > Regards > Paul > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Adrian Godwin <artgod...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I'm still struggling to get the acrylic I need. I've been into London a > few > > times but not been able to get to the shop in business hours. Guess I > could > > order online if necessary but it will cost a fair bit more. > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 3:19 PM, paul swed <paulsw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I saw the low CBT temp also and 10 degrees C seem like allot. However > in > > > the 5060/5061 Frankenstein I run the oven at +10 degrees (approx.) to > > what > > > the tube asks for. To drive C fumes out of the oven. A possible > > assumption > > > is the cooler oven is emitting fewer C's and the emult is trying to > make > > up > > > for it. > > > > > > Li > > > If it were mine and I checked the other suggestions. I would if > > convenient > > > actually attempt to raise the oven temp a bit to see what happens. I > > would > > > measure current and use an external supply to match it and then gently > > > increase the current. But from the thread you do not own it and I > think a > > > large amount of money was at stake. > > > > > > Regards > > > Paul > > > WB8TSL > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Scott McGrath <scmcgr...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > that's telling you that the CBT oven is not up to temp so you could > > have > > > > a failed heater in the tube or the oven controller is malfunctioning > > > > > > > > The former well you need a new tube which symmetricom will be happy > to > > > > sell you for a 5 figure price tag. > > > > > > > > The latter is limited by your repair skills and parts and data > > > availability > > > > > > > > Content by Scott > > > > Typos by Siri > > > > > > > > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Li Ang <379...@qq.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > According to the Log, "CBT Oven Err: -9.55 C" might be something > > wrong. > > > > However, I can't find the correct range in the manual. Does anyone > have > > > the > > > > information about this parameter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Li Ang > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ Original ------------------ > > > > > From: "Li Ang";<379...@qq.com>; > > > > > Date: Wed, Nov 9, 2016 02:48 PM > > > > > To: "Tom Van Baak"<t...@leapsecond.com>; "Discussion of precise > time > > > > and frequency measurement"<time-nuts@febo.com>; > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5071A with ATTENTION flashing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom > > > > > > > > > > I have collected the log from it. Log level is service. The 9.2G > pll > > > > pass the test today. The log during the power-up process is also > > > included. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Li Ang / BI7LNQ > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scpi > > > > > > > > > > > MJD 0 02:02:18 > > > > > > > > > > CBT ID: 3128A00642(H) > > > > > > > > > > Status summary: Fatal Error (see Log) > > > > > > > > > > Power source: AC > > > > > > > > > > Log status: One entry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freq Offset: 0e-15 Osc. control: -9.56 % > > > > > > > > > > RF amplitude 1: 6.3 % RF amplitude 2: 6.3 % > > > > > > > > > > Zeeman Freq: 39949 Hz C-field curr: 12.213 mA > > > > > > > > > > E-multiplier: 2553 V Signal Gain: 14.4 % > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CBT Oven: 0.0 V CBT Oven Err: -9.55 C > > > > > > > > > > Osc. Oven: -9.1 V Ion Pump: 0.4 uA > > > > > > > > > > HW Ionizer: -0.1 V Mass spec: 12.3 V > > > > > > > > > > SAW Tuning: 0.0 V DRO Tuning: 7.3 V > > > > > > > > > > 87MHz PLL: 0.8 V uP Clock PLL: 1.8 V > > > > > > > > > > +12V supply: 12.3 V -12V supply: -12.3 V > > > > > > > > > > +5V supply: 5.4 V Thermometer: 46.2 C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scpi > > > > > > > > > > > scpi > ? > > > > > > > > > > E-103> exit > > > > > > > > > > E-113> > > > > > > > > > > E-113> Log status: One entry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Log 000 of MJD 0 00:12:40: Low Cs signal (60) with max > Emult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: DDFS register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface abus test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: power logic signals test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: DDFS register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface abus test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: power logic signals test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: DDFS register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface abus test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: power logic signals test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-113> > > > > > > > > > > E-113> PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: DDFS register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface abus test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: power logic signals test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: DDFS register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface abus test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: power logic signals test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: DDFS register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface abus test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: power logic signals test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: DDFS register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface abus test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: power logic signals test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: DDFS register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface abus test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: power logic signals test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT therm test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-113> > > > > > > > > > > E-113> scpi > > > > > > > > > > > scpi > > > > > > > > > > > Performing hardware tests > > > > > > > > > > PASS: CBT register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: DDFS register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Servo register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Interface register test > > > > > > > > > > PASS: Pps register test > > > > > > > > > > Warming up > > > > > > > > > > Osc. oven is up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MJD 0 00:00:29 > > > > > > > > > > CBT ID: 3128A00642(H) > > > > > > > > > > Status summary: Warming up > > > > > > > > > > Power source: AC > > > > > > > > > > Log status: One entry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freq Offset: 0e-15 Osc. control: -9.56 % > > > > > > > > > > RF amplitude 1: 6.3 % RF amplitude 2: 6.3 % > > > > > > > > > > Zeeman Freq: 39949 Hz C-field curr: 12.213 mA > > > > > > > > > > E-multiplier: 1524 V Signal Gain: 14.4 % > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CBT Oven: 20.6 V CBT Oven Err: -9.55 C > > > > > > > > > > Osc. Oven: -9.0 V Ion Pump: 0.4 uA > > > > > > > > > > HW Ionizer: 1.0 V Mass spec: 12.3 V > > > > > > > > > > SAW Tuning: 0.0 V DRO Tuning: 7.3 V > > > > > > > > > > 87MHz PLL: 0.8 V uP Clock PLL: 1.8 V > > > > > > > > > > +12V supply: 12.2 V -12V supply: -12.2 V > > > > > > > > > > +5V supply: 5.4 V Thermometer: 45.0 C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scpi > Cs oven is up > > > > > > > > > > F(z) = 39948.9 Hz > > > > > > > > > > Low Cs beam signal = 3 > > > > > > > > > > Raising emult voltage... > > > > > > > > > > Low Cs signal (37) with max Emult > > > > > > > > > > Fractional freq. offset is -0.000000e+00 > > > > > > > > > > Fatal Error (see Log) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scpi > > > > > > > > > > > scpi > Log status: 2 entries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Log 000 of MJD 0 00:12:40: Low Cs signal (60) with max > Emult > > > > > > > > > > Log 001 of MJD 0 00:09:59: Low Cs signal (37) with max > Emult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MJD 0 00:13:46 > > > > > > > > > > CBT ID: 3128A00642(H) > > > > > > > > > > Status summary: Fatal Error (see Log) > > > > > > > > > > Power source: AC > > > > > > > > > > Log status: 2 entries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Freq Offset: 0e-15 Osc. control: -9.56 % > > > > > > > > > > RF amplitude 1: 6.3 % RF amplitude 2: 6.3 % > > > > > > > > > > Zeeman Freq: 39949 Hz C-field curr: 12.213 mA > > > > > > > > > > E-multiplier: 2553 V Signal Gain: 14.4 % > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CBT Oven: 0.0 V CBT Oven Err: -8.22 C > > > > > > > > > > Osc. Oven: -9.1 V Ion Pump: 1.0 uA > > > > > > > > > > HW Ionizer: 0.0 V Mass spec: 12.2 V > > > > > > > > > > SAW Tuning: 0.0 V DRO Tuning: 7.3 V > > > > > > > > > > 87MHz PLL: 0.8 V uP Clock PLL: 1.7 V > > > > > > > > > > +12V supply: 12.3 V -12V supply: -12.3 V > > > > > > > > > > +5V supply: 5.4 V Thermometer: 46.4 C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scpi > Log status: 2 entries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Log 000 of MJD 0 00:12:40: Low Cs signal (60) with max > Emult > > > > > > > > > > Log 001 of MJD 0 00:09:59: Low Cs signal (37) with max > Emult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---Original--- > > > > > From: "Tom Van Baak"<t...@leapsecond.com> > > > > > Date: 2016/11/4 00:42:46 > > > > > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"< > > > > time-nuts@febo.com>; > > > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5071A with ATTENTION flashing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Li, > > > > > > > > > > The "Low cs signal with max Emult" is the classic error indicating > > it's > > > > out of gas. That's a bad sign. But the "9.2GHz PLL test 10.3v" is > > > something > > > > else. So maybe there's hope? Or maybe you have two big problems > instead > > > of > > > > one. Rick might know. > > > > > > > > > > For additional information, connect a PC to the serial port and > > capture > > > > the diagnostic information. Right after power up, press TOP -> CONFIG > > -> > > > > LOG -> SERVICE to set the unit into verbose diagnostic mode. You > should > > > see > > > > lines print every now and then as it undergoes self test and > > calibration. > > > > > > > > > > You can also press TOP -> INFO -> PRINT to get a nicely formatted > > > > summary. Or TOP -> LOG -> PRINT to get the entire log history. That > > > > sometimes has lots of clues. The advantage of using the serial port > is > > > you > > > > get a permanent record of all this information. Viewing all this by > the > > > LCD > > > > screen can be tedious. > > > > > > > > > > There's more information in 05071-90040, the 5071A Assembly-Level > > > > Service Manual, copies of which are on the web. Also 05071-90041, > > > Operating > > > > and Programming Manual. > > > > > > > > > > /tvb > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Li Ang" <379...@qq.com> > > > > > To: "time-nuts" <time-nuts@febo.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 8:10 AM > > > > > Subject: [time-nuts] 5071A with ATTENTION flashing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi > > > > >> Today I met one HP 5071A with option 001 at one secondhand > equipment > > > > company. This one can not enter CONTINUOUS OPERATION status, the > > > ATTENTION > > > > led flashes. > > > > >> There is a "Low cs signal with max Emult" error in the log. I have > > run > > > > the self-test, and it stopped at "9.2GHz PLL test 10.3v". I can only > > > > remember the the pump current was 0.8uA or less, C-filed was about > > 12mA. > > > > >> The seller is asking for about 4000$, I am wondering if it's > > > > repairable. Since it is a "HP" branded 5071A with 001 option, I do > not > > > > know if the Cs tube is dying or not, according to the two current > > values? > > > > >> How do I know one 5071A/5061/5062 is dying or is still in good > > health > > > > by the readings? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> de BI7LNQ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > > and follow the instructions there. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/ > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.