This stuff is fascinating to a time-nut-level:Novice such as myself.
While falling down the rabbit-hole searching on all the various bits of
the info below, I ran across this - not sure if you're aware of it, or
if it's old news, but it seems at least peripherally interesting:
http://fnetpublic.utk.edu
On 7/3/19 08:56, Tom Van Baak wrote:
Bob,
Several of us do long-term measurement of mains frequency. We tend to
time-stamp cycles and then compute period or frequency, rather than
measuring frequency or period directly. Traditional counters in gated
frequency or time interval mode have dead time and this will skew
results.
In my case I just run a 5 VAC wall-wart through a 10k resistor
directly to the input pin of a PIC. No scaling, no filtering, no opto,
no ZCD, no nothing. If I measure every cycle I get 155 million samples
per month. If I extract one cycle each second (decimate by 60) it's
only 2.5 million samples a month. Many months there is not a single
glitch in the data in spite of all the FUD about power line noise.
Once in a while a month contains an extra or missing sample but the
beauty of timestamp data is that this can be detected and repaired as
part of data processing with no loss of phase.
Here's a page where Kevin (in New Mexico) and I (in Seattle) both used
picPET's to measure mains for a few days and then we compared the
results. Although thousands of miles apart, we're both on the same
grid so the agreement was astonishing. It was milliseconds in time and
ADEV down to e-8 over a day:
http://leapsecond.com/pages/mains-cv/
See also: http://leapsecond.com/pic/mains-adev-mdev-gnuplot-g4.png
/tvb
On 7/2/2019 10:09 PM, Bob Albert via time-nuts wrote:
I have tried to measure the power line frequency with spotty
success. My best results came from a period measurement, as many
periods as the counter can accumulate. Due to noise, one is never
sure at quite what point the source is measured. Perhaps a brick
wall filter would clean it up for a more reliable measurement.
Of course, at 60 Hz the period is 16-2/3 milliseconds. So the
counter should properly show a 1 followed by a row of 6s, with the
last digit bouncing between 6 and 7 most of the time.
If there is a filter used, it will not only remove noise but also
short term variations. But generatlly speaking you don't want to
measure those, unless you are trying to evaluate a rotary generator.
Getting this reading can be a challenge.
On Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 10:01:03 PM PDT, jimlux
<jim...@earthlink.net> wrote:
On 7/2/19 4:09 PM, Dana Whitlow wrote:
I've always noted that casual attempts to pick up 60 Hz with small
antennas
etc see more harmonics and other trash than actual line frequency.
But if
you're in an office environment, why not plug something in? It's
quite easy
to build a simple passive diode clipper/filter that will plug into a
wall
outlet and
which will provide a sort of soft (but clean) squarewave at a
voltage level
convenient for lab instruments and with good protection against big
spikes
and
other trash riding on the line.
Safety approvals are one obstacle (of course one could use a AC wall
wart).
Actually, it's because someone asked me about a science experiment where
you'd place them in a neighborhood outdoors.
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