Hi Deborah,

I would say that your example below is punishment, but remember
that punishment, as with reinforcement, can be either positive
or negative.  It is not negative reinforcement since this is meant
to increase desirable behaviors by the removal or reduction
of an aversive stimulus.  It is best seen as an example of
negative punishment, wherein undesirable is decreased or
extinguished by the removal of a pleasant stimulus, or loss
of privileges, such as taking a toy away from a misbehaving
child.  So, it's best to explain reinforcement and punishment as
being either positive or negative.  I've always had students
struggle with distinguishing these terms, given that it is difficult
to avoid confusing positive and negative with good and bad,
which was of course, not Skinner's intention.  So, positive punishment
would be spanking the child for misbehavior (not recommended) as
opposed to negative punishment, another example being a time-out
(more recommended) for extinguishing a child's  undesirable behavior.

Hope that helps!

Mike Lee, MA
Dept of Psych
University of Manitoba
Winnipeg, MB, Canada


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Subject: negative reinforcement vs. punishment


> I am fairly new to teaching psychology (my second semester) and to this
list
> but hopefully someone can help me.
> Here is the scenario: A child is playing with a toy and throws it. The
> parent reacts by taking the toy away.
> I thought this would be a reasonable example for punishment since it is
> likely to decrease the throwing. However, as I was discussing it, I
realized
> that it could also be explained as negative reinforcement since the
negative
> condition being "removed" (as I explained it to my students) is the
child's
> throwing, while the behavior of the parent taking the toy away is likely
to
> be strengthened; this would fit the bill for the typical definition of
> negative reinforcement. Am I completely off-base here? I thought that
> reinforcement and punishment were mutually exclusive, so how can this be
> better explained?
>
> Thanks in advance for the help,
> Deborah Deitcher
>
>

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