Rod: It was me, but I disavow the label Freud scholar (though I play one when I teach History of Psychology). In _Civilization and its Discontents_ are these passages (section v.): my comments in [].
On "Love thy neighbour": "My love is something valuable to me which I ought not throw away without reflection. It imposes duties on me for whose fulfillment I must be ready to make sacrifices" [then, after laying out the conditions under which we naturally love ..] " ... if he is a stranger to me and if he cannot attract to me by any worth of his own or any significance that he may already have acquired for my emotional life, it would be hard for me to love him. Indeed, I should be wrong to do so, for my love is valued by all my own people as a sign of my preferring them, and it is an injustice to them if I put a stranger on a par with them. But if I am to love him (with this universal love) merely because he, too, is an inhabitant of this earth, like an insect, an earth-worm or a grass-snake, then I fear that only a small modicum of my love will fall to his share - not by any possibility as much as, by the judgment of my reason, I am entitled to retain for myself. What is the point of a precept enunciated with so much solemnity if its fulfillment cannot be recommended as reasonable?" .... " . . . I must confess he [i.e. strangers] has more claim to my hostility and even my hatred. He seems not to have the least trace of love for me . . ." . . . ". . . he thinks nothing of jeering at me, insulting me, slandering me and showing his superior power; and the more secure he feels and the more helpless I am, the more certainty I can expect him to behave like this to me." " . . . if he shows me consideration and forbearance as a stranger, I am ready to treat him the same way." [Freud them claims to prefer "love thy neighbour as thy neighbour loves thee"]. On "Love thine enemies": since there really is good and bad in the world, loving enemies results in "... damage to the aims of civilization, for it puts a positive premium on being bad." ... "... men are not gentle creatures who want to be loved .... they are, on the contrary, creatures among whose instinctual endowments is to be reckoned a powerful share of aggressiveness. As a result, their neighbour is not for them not only a potential helper or sexual object, but also someone who tempts them to satisfy their aggressiveness on him, to exploit his capacity without compensation, to use him sexually without his consent, to seize his possessions, to humiliate him, to cause him pain, to torture and to kill him. Homo homini lupus [man is a wolf to man]. Who, in the face of all his experience of liufe and of history, will have the courage to dispute this assertion?" Interestingly, on the "love neighbor" part, evolutionary psychologist Buss (in "A Dangerous Passion") have made similar comments about love vis-a-vis jealousy. Since the resources of love are finite (trying to love everyone results in shallow gestures), jealousy, he argues, is an adaptation designed to protect your investment (my words, not Buss's). ============================================ John W. Kulig Professor of Psychology Plymouth State College Plymouth NH 03264 ============================================ "Live simply that others may simply live" Contemporary saying. -----Original Message----- From: Hetzel, Rod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:29 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Subject: RE: Freud and humanity Thanks for the reference, Cecil. I'm looking forward to reading it. -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Cecil Hutto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 9/11/2003 10:45 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Cc: Subject: Re: Freud and humanity I found "The Question of God" to be an interesting read. However, I thought the author attempted too often to make implications about Freud's personal life/behaviors that were unnecessary. And I should say that I'm a behaviorist and no great fan of Freud or his theories. Cecil Hetzel, Rod wrote: Hey folks. Someone made a passing reference in one of our recent religion discussions about how Freud believed that people were too inherently self-centered (or something else) to truly "turn the other cheek" or love others. Can someone point me to some of Freud's writing where he discussed this? I'm hoping our resident Freud scholar can offer some guidance on this! On a related note, does anyone have a review of the next text, "The Question of God: C.S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud Debate God, Love, Sex, and the Meaning of Life"? It's on my list of must-reads but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Rod ______________________________________________ Roderick D. Hetzel, Ph.D. Department of Psychology LeTourneau University Post Office Box 7001 2100 South Mobberly Avenue Longview, Texas 75607-7001 Office: Education Center 218 Phone: 903-233-3893 Fax: 903-233-3851 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.letu.edu/people/rodhetzel -----Original Message----- From: DeVolder Carol L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:55 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Subject: RE: IQ Thanks for a good discussion I'm trying to not commit the same errors I usually make and clog the list with what some might see as irrelevant material Cheers, Jim I've enjoyed all of your discussions of this very much (although I must admit, I felt sort of ignorant in the presence of you scholars). I have a question that is only slightly related to this discussion... There is/was a practice of mortification of sins (or so I've been told), in which the sinner beat the guilt out of himself (OK, I admit, my understanding is vague, please correct me on this, I'd appreciate it). My real question is this: Does anyone know anything about the concept of mortification of memory? It has to do with purging one's self of sinful memories or something like that. I'm presently involved in research on directed forgetting/instructed ignoring and see a historical precursor. Thanks for any help that anyone can give me. 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