I was thinking the same thing as below (Christopher Green). If memory
serves, Helmholz published the research on conduction speed in an
earlier physiology text. I think the conservation of energy was
presented as a mathematical proof without empirical verification. I
don't feel certain on the title but it was something like "On the
Conservation of Force" (not even going to try the Deutsch!) and the pub
date should be 1846 - 1848 range- I want to say 1847 but I'd really need
to look that up to verify it before saying so in class. :) It is
interesting that I seem to remember the German word he used in the title
specifically avoided a term that translates directly as energy so I'm
not even willing to say he was talking about Conservation of energy
which, to a physiologist at the time would be a different idea
altogether. Tim 

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:51 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject: Helmhotz and frogs

Yesterday on TIPS, someon asked about hos Helmholtz wenst about
measuring the amount of energy put into and expended by a frog (to prove
conservation of energy in living things). I've done a bit of searching
and consulting over the past day, and it appears at this stage of my
investigation that there was no such experiment conducted by Helmholtz. 
His work on conservation of energy (1847 -- see my "Classics in the
History of Psychology" site) was theoretical. There may have been (much)
later experiments done by others along the lines suggested, but I have
not been able to find exact references. Helmholtz's primary work with
frogs involved his measuring the speed of neural transmission, not
conservation of energy. The two ideas may have become confused with each
other (as with many of these popular historical myths), resulting in the
idea of an experiment on conservation of energy involving frogs.

Regards,
--
Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3

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